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VOL JACK 05-18-2010 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 649112)
You forget to mention how he 'trained' a couple of the preeminent juicers in the game presently.

Mark Hening and Dallas Stewart???....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

the_fat_man 05-18-2010 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 649119)
Mark Hening and Dallas Stewart???....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

If those INEPT Mofos are juicing, they must have the PLACEBO.:rolleyes:

dean smith 05-18-2010 08:15 PM

Why is D. Wayne Lukas the object of so much scorn around here? That's an honest question -- I'm not trying to be combative. Since I started following the sport minimally about ten years ago he's pretty much been off the radar as far as the big dogs of the sport were concerned. I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit? Why are so many people seemingly happy about his fall from the top?

I've got so many questions...

Like: What is the correct way to spell the plural of "Derby?" Is it derbies or derbys? Neither one looks right to me for some reason.

Arletta 05-18-2010 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dean smith (Post 649130)
Why is D. Wayne Lukas the object of so much scorn around here? That's an honest question -- I'm not trying to be combative. Since I started following the sport minimally about ten years ago he's pretty much been off the radar as far as the big dogs of the sport were concerned. I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit? Why are so many people seemingly happy about his fall from the top?

I've got so many questions...

Like: What is the correct way to spell the plural of "Derby?" Is it derbies or derbys? Neither one looks right to me for some reason.

Or as the English like to say "Darby's"

Port Conway Lane 05-18-2010 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dean smith (Post 649130)
Why is D. Wayne Lukas the object of so much scorn around here? That's an honest question -- I'm not trying to be combative. Since I started following the sport minimally about ten years ago he's pretty much been off the radar as far as the big dogs of the sport were concerned. I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit? Why are so many people seemingly happy about his fall from the top?

I've got so many questions...

Like: What is the correct way to spell the plural of "Derby?" Is it derbies or derbys? Neither one looks right to me for some reason.

I haven't seen too many scornful comments toward him in this thread but historically there was Codex who supposedly "mugged" Genuine Risk; A reputation as a manager rather than a hands on trainer;High profile horses breaking down.
I have no idea why anyone would feel "happy" about another's fall from the top whoever it may be unless he was a world dictator of some sort.

DaTruth 05-18-2010 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dean smith (Post 649130)
I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit?

He lost his biggest owner, Gene Klein. With Klein's money, Lukas was able to compete with foreign buyers at the Keeneland and Saratoga yearling sales. That is not to say that Lukas lacked other owners with deep pockets. He trained for Overbrook, Sanan, Lewis, Tabor, and Thoroughbred Corp, among others, over the years. But those owners tended to spread their horses among several trainers.

PeteMugg 05-18-2010 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 648922)
i know when i do it, it's intentional. :D i would rather people quit spelling a lot as one word, they can keep that c in lukas as a trade!


and that pic is hilarious. i wish i'd taken a pic of the 'jewlery' store sign.

I think I could live with these if i never hear the word eXspecially again.

Danzig 05-18-2010 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteMugg (Post 649152)
I think I could live with these if i never hear the word eXspecially again.

so, i'm not alone on that one either?! yeah, another pet peeve.

Soaring Softly 05-18-2010 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 649125)
He might have won at least four Belmont Stakes, three of them consecutively.

That's why I said "at least two" Cardus. I knew when I typed my post that there were more than two, but Tabasco Cat and Thunder Gulch were the only ones I could remember at that moment. I thought I'd rather be conditionally wrong than state some number that was completely wrong! LOL!

You said four......the other two are Editor's Note and Commendable, right?

One thing that's neat is that I'll never forget them again! :o

westcoastinvader 05-18-2010 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dean smith (Post 649130)
Why is D. Wayne Lukas the object of so much scorn around here? That's an honest question -- I'm not trying to be combative. Since I started following the sport minimally about ten years ago he's pretty much been off the radar as far as the big dogs of the sport were concerned. I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit? Why are so many people seemingly happy about his fall from the top?

I've got so many questions...

Like: What is the correct way to spell the plural of "Derby?" Is it derbies or derbys? Neither one looks right to me for some reason.


Others can likely state more accurately, but I think there is often a feeling his 1980's success came by smart usage of meds. .

For those established fans watching thoroughbred racing real time in the 1980's the media fawning over Lukas and family may have been a bit much. Kinda like the reason most people besides Yankees fans hate the Yankees.

Indian Charlie 05-18-2010 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dean smith (Post 649130)
Why is D. Wayne Lukas the object of so much scorn around here? That's an honest question -- I'm not trying to be combative. Since I started following the sport minimally about ten years ago he's pretty much been off the radar as far as the big dogs of the sport were concerned. I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit? Why are so many people seemingly happy about his fall from the top?

I've got so many questions...

Like: What is the correct way to spell the plural of "Derby?" Is it derbies or derbys? Neither one looks right to me for some reason.

The Lukas trail of carnage is greater than even the Clintons.

Star of the North 05-19-2010 12:18 AM

Who are those guys?
 
Yeah, the Coach wasn't kidding. While we were busy watching the first two legs of the Triple Crown, these guys came by and nailed this to the front door:

http://tomudall.senate.gov/files/doc...ub-4-29-10.pdf

chucklestheclown 05-19-2010 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Star of the North (Post 649182)
Yeah, the Coach wasn't kidding. While we were busy watching the first two legs of the Triple Crown, these guys came by and nailed this to the front door:

http://tomudall.senate.gov/files/doc...ub-4-29-10.pdf

It is too bad the industry was too short-sighted and/or self-absorbed to have structured a national governing body on its own. Water under the bridge now.:eek:

cakes44 05-19-2010 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 649129)
If those INEPT Mofos are juicing, they must have the PLACEBO.:rolleyes:

Now this is a CLASSIC post. Well done.

cakes44 05-19-2010 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Soaring Softly (Post 649164)
That's why I said "at least two" Cardus. I knew when I typed my post that there were more than two, but Tabasco Cat and Thunder Gulch were the only ones I could remember at that moment. I thought I'd rather be conditionally wrong than state some number that was completely wrong! LOL!

You said four......the other two are Editor's Note and Commendable, right?

One thing that's neat is that I'll never forget them again! :o

For the life of me I have no idea how he ever trained a horse to get 1 1/2 miles. It is a fricken MIRACLE when his horses make it a mile against anyone but Oaklawn maidens these days.

Dublin might seriously be a SUPER HORSE, but we likely won't ever find out.

Buckpasser 05-19-2010 12:09 PM

Mine That Bird goes to Lukas
By Jay Privman

Mine That Bird, the 2009 Kentucky Derby winner, left New Mexico on Wednesday morning bound for Churchill Downs, where he will be trained by D. Wayne LuKas, Dr. Leonard Blach, a co-owner of the gelding, said Wednesday.

http://drf.com/news/article/113066.html

Ok, I've gone to to the woodshed for spelling the guys name wrong.

randallscott35 05-19-2010 12:12 PM

Chip didn't just take you to the Derby dipshit, he won it for you.

Sightseek 05-19-2010 12:14 PM

There goes Chip Whooley's sex life.


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