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miraja2 05-13-2010 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 647064)
2. Schoolyard Dreams...The most likely 2nd place horse in the field.

Most likely? I don't see that at all. Lookin At Lucky's lone start on a fast dirt surface appears much better to me than anything Schoolyard Dreams has ever done.
I agree with Lemoncrush that SD's Wood was a poor effort all the way around, and he got beat that day by two horses that ran like garbage in Louisville. You point to his layoff after the Wood as a good thing, but given his thoroughly unimpressive effort off a layoff in January I'm not at all convinced that's the case. You also suggest that they will take back with the horse, but given that the race appears paceless, I'm not convinced that is a good thing either. Toss in what I see as a negative jock-switch from the Wood and the fact that he looks an awful lot like your basic Tampa-lover to me, and I'll pass.

I think a chalky exacta is the :most likely" here: either 7,8 or 8,7.

randallscott35 05-13-2010 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 647199)
Most likely? I don't see that at all. Lookin At Lucky's lone start on a fast dirt surface appears much better to me than anything Schoolyard Dreams has ever done.
I agree with Lemoncrush that SD's Wood was a poor effort all the way around, and he got beat that day by two horses that ran like garbage in Louisville. You point to his layoff after the Wood as a good thing, but given his thoroughly unimpressive effort off a layoff in January I'm not at all convinced that's the case. You also suggest that they will take back with the horse, but given that the race appears paceless, I'm not convinced that is a good thing either. Toss in what I see as a negative jock-switch from the Wood and the fact that he looks an awful lot like your basic Tampa-lover to me, and I'll pass.

I think a chalky exacta is the :most likely" here: either 7,8 or 8,7.

A fair argument with regards to Lucky. I would say only that I think SD is better than you think and if you looked at his numbers his best race is not as far off of Lucky as you think and Lucky was on the fence for this race which to me is a negative.

zippyneedsawin 05-13-2010 09:50 PM

I think the Super Savings would be to pass this race.. hope Super Saver wins.. and then bet against him in the Belmont.

That said, I'm sure I'll be taking a stab at tri/super on Saturday. :)

JerseyJ 05-13-2010 10:23 PM

Schoolyard Dreams is more likely to be last than 1st or 2nd...horse is just plain slow...the new shooters are a very, very weak group. In fact I wouldn't be shocked if the super ends up involving the 4 horses who come out of the Derby in some order, although Paddy O'Prado I expect to not be anywhere near as good on fast dirt as he is on turf/synthetics/wet tracks.

chucklestheclown 05-14-2010 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 647200)
A fair argument with regards to Lucky. I would say only that I think SD is better than you think and if you looked at his numbers his best race is not as far off of Lucky as you think and Lucky was on the fence for this race which to me is a negative.

Sorry, I agree with you. None of my bets of any kind will leave either SS or SD out of the top spot. I am betting with my head so L@L I can only wish the best to, just like last out.

2Hot4TV 05-14-2010 06:42 AM

LAL/SS/all

LAL/all/SS

simple ticket and you wont get rich.

Why try to make it more than what it is' Super Saver is fit and just beat this group so he will get brave again.

He's not going to beat LAL which has shown in all his races that he is willing and trys to finish and win in every race. It has been a case of being in the wrong place and try to get too cute with his trip in some races and thats why he belongs on top.

Who looks to improve in 2 weeks Nobody. Thats why the all

lemoncrush 05-14-2010 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV (Post 647308)
LAL/SS/all

LAL/all/SS

simple ticket and you wont get rich.

Why try to make it more than what it is' Super Saver is fit and just beat this group so he will get brave again.

He's not going to beat LAL which has shown in all his races that he is willing and trys to finish and win in every race. It has been a case of being in the wrong place and try to get too cute with his trip in some races and thats why he belongs on top.

Who looks to improve in 2 weeks Nobody. Thats why the all

Sooner or later, LAL is going to have to stop living off his 2-year old reputation and run a "big" race as a 3-year old. So far, he hasn't.

There's no guarantee LAL gets a perfect trip this week either, despite the talents of big race rider Martin Garcia aboard (sarcasm mode turned off). Then I assume we'll have more excuses for this horse.
If he's as good as so many claim he is, then he should win comfortably on Saturday. I don't buy it, and will not being using him on top on any of my tickets.

kgar311 05-14-2010 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV (Post 647308)
LAL/SS/all

LAL/all/SS

simple ticket and you wont get rich.

Why try to make it more than what it is' Super Saver is fit and just beat this group so he will get brave again.

He's not going to beat LAL which has shown in all his races that he is willing and trys to finish and win in every race. It has been a case of being in the wrong place and try to get too cute with his trip in some races and thats why he belongs on top.

Who looks to improve in 2 weeks Nobody. Thats why the all

LAL wins by daylight!!!

randallscott35 05-14-2010 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311 (Post 647347)
LAL wins by daylight!!!

Why you would take a daylight comment as an affront to any other picks is silly. Everyone has an opinion. :zz:

kgar311 05-14-2010 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 647349)
Why you would take a daylight comment as an affront to any other picks is silly. Everyone has an opinion. :zz:

lol you caught that, I was being facetious chillax :p, seriously though LAL is by far the most talented horse in the race and it finally comes together for him.

randallscott35 05-14-2010 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311 (Post 647353)
lol you caught that, I was being facetious chillax :p, seriously though LAL is by far the most talented horse in the race and it finally comes together for him.

He needs to show it. This is his chance.

CSC 05-14-2010 10:03 AM

Super Saver is 1 for 5 away from Churchill Downs, does this scare anyone?

johnny pinwheel 05-14-2010 10:03 AM

put it this way . if looking at lucky loses again, hes this years pyro. who in their right mind would play chalk on that....i don't care if he wins and beats me. i'll use him in exactas(back up) but if super saver is anywhere near 5-2 or 3-1 even its a ...go to the window. the horse won for fun wet , dry i could give a crap that derby was not even close. the new horses look like junk......super saver with LAL, dublin, paddy o prado.

randallscott35 05-14-2010 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 647356)
Super Saver is 1 for 5 away from Churchill Downs, does this scare anyone?

Small sample, not as if he's been awful is his other performances.

CSC 05-14-2010 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 647359)
Small sample, not as if he's been awful is his other performances.

I'm not saying he is not possible, he is the safest bet in the race; however both of his wins came at CD where he rode the rail with Borel aboard that it atleast makes me think it may be worth taking a shot at him considering he will be the favorite.

2Hot4TV 05-14-2010 06:30 PM

Now if LAL wins by daylite, does this put a kink in GoGo's armor as a Triple Crown big race rider?Do we see a pattern or has he just been finding the wrong horses?

Danzig 05-14-2010 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel (Post 647357)
put it this way . if looking at lucky loses again, hes this years pyro. who in their right mind would play chalk on that....i don't care if he wins and beats me. i'll use him in exactas(back up) but if super saver is anywhere near 5-2 or 3-1 even its a ...go to the window. the horse won for fun wet , dry i could give a crap that derby was not even close. the new horses look like junk......super saver with LAL, dublin, paddy o prado.



pyro won too many races in the spring for looking at lucky to be him. looking at lucky is more like this years dollar bill-one hard luck story after another.

the more i think about it, the more i think super saver will win. playing him with the dutrow horse.

my miss storm cat 05-14-2010 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 647356)
Super Saver is 1 for 5 away from Churchill Downs, does this scare anyone?

Doesn't scare me... I'm not using him in the top spot.

If I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit it but no,I don't see him winning tomorrow.

That said, I know it's a lot easier to predict who will lose than who will win.

I'm using Caracortado on top and Paddy, Aikenite and Jackson Bend in some order underneath.

Maybe I'll use SS in a super.

Good luck to all his fans and I wish him well of course, a safe trip home. I don't think he's the Triple Crown winner we'd all love to see...

Maybe next year.

johnny pinwheel 05-15-2010 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 647594)
pyro won too many races in the spring for looking at lucky to be him. looking at lucky is more like this years dollar bill-one hard luck story after another.

the more i think about it, the more i think super saver will win. playing him with the dutrow horse.

you might be right. i can not bet this horse as the favorite. i'm tired of the excuses. thats how the derby and many of these big races go. plus, people have to realize that horses that get perfect trips often have tactical speed like super saver. horses like ice box and looking at lucky have problems in half their starts. not that they can't win, its just harder. i don't know what race people saw in the derby, super saver won by almost three lengths and the second horse is not running today. post position...exucse after excuse, this horse (LAL) still has to make up about 8 lenghts as the favorite.....good luck on that happening.

Danzig 05-15-2010 08:53 AM

hard to tell what will happen, the derby was on a sloppy track after all. no doubt that had an affect. question is, how much of an affect? super saver seems to have gotten good at the right time, and seems to be thriving. no other horse in the field seems to be in that same boat as him, which is why i think he's the most likely winner. looking at lucky imo hasn't shown the huge ability many think he has this year. i think he's on par with several other horses. his race in arkansas showed that. he evidently was a precocious two year old, who hasn't improved as they've matured.

now, watch him win...:D but i just think, based on what he's done this year, he's not the big horse.


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