Either way it isnt good. Outside of Martinez, Ike Davis, Wilmer Flores, Mejia and Jeurys Familia and maybe Josh Thole there is nothing. And most of those guys are either a long ways way (Flores and Familia) or B level prospects (with Mejia being the exception)

When's the last time a Dodger got a Cy Young? Pretty lazy ass pitching coach (to be producing a Cy Young Winner.) He has shown an inability to instill pitch count discipline. They need someone who's more interested in improving pitch command. I mean, each time that Broxton Pig starts steering those pitches, this guy should be out there in his face. He just sits there until it's too late. Then, fatboy throws one that is straight, not hard enough, and in the wrong place. Season over. Same goes for your boy Kershaw. He's had 2 years to get this guy's command worked on, and the guy goes out n' has zero command against the Phils. THEY NEED A NEW PITCHING COACH. This is a teaching/discipline problem. Not a talent problem. This piece of sht junk pitcher shouldn't be relied on to teach anything.

Kersahw was simply tired after throwing more innings than he had ever thrown in a season. And while you are correct in that he needs to work on his command and keep the pitch count lower, if he can improve in that area he can be the most dominating pitcher in baseball, period. As for Broxton show me a guy like him that didnt have command issues now and then. The list of closers better than him is short. Like one guy short.

What would Scuds do?

Im hoping my Pirates avoid the cellar. No matter what happens they will always have my support. If I go to a game when they are in Houston I will still proudly wear my Pirates shirt and hat.

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That's so far off. In what way is he near the top of the list? Unrealized potential? Talent?

yeah? Who is better?

Mariano, Pap, evidently Hoffman is still better. Street is better. Nathan(was,) Soria, and Valverde are better. They aren't more talented, but they are (mentally) daylight ahead of her.

i will give you Mo and even papplebn but thats it. Hoffman? Compare how they are used and tell me again how Broxton isnt better? Valverde? Get real. Soria? C'mon. Broxton faced 300 batters last year. 44 got hits. 4 hit HR's. 114 struck out. Soria faced 222 batter last year. 44 of them got hits. 5 hit HR's. 69 struckout. If you cant see that one is so clearly better i cant help you. The most effective method of getting outs as a closer is strikeouts. There is no runners advancing, no potential errors, no lucky hits. While it is true as well with a started it is to a lesser degree because they have to ration pitches over 5-8 innings. Closers just have to usually get 3 or 4 guys out. There is no one in the game better at getting strikeouts than Broxton. he allows less hits and gets more K's than any other closer. he appeared in more games and more innings than any other closer and yet his metrics were still tops. And he was 25. You may not like him but he is not only one of the absolute top closers in baseball but he is getting better.

Can't strike out Phillies when it counts the most. When it counts the most he's a choke. I know that much. A Nationwide audience has seem him blow the pivotal 4th game in the LCS the last 2 years. What a witch, this guy. I think you like him so much because you know the Dodgers aren't gunna get a ring with that choke closing. It's a security blanket. No matter what, he'll make sure they can't get a ring. Believe me, Dodger fans would love to see his loser ass traded. There is no mystery for these Dodger Players now. They know, if they make the post, they can't get anywhere with this guy closing. So, it's not like they think they have a shot at the big prize. We've seen this movie. He may have good strike out numbers, but they are mainly gathered on his good days. When he really needs it, he's a nothing. I Watch this guy all the time. He's a mental nothing. He's not getting better mentally. He's not a battler like Pap, and Mariano etc. If guys get on, it's game on.

LOL

Yankee fans never forgave Mariano for blowing game 7 of the 2001 series. A's fans were hoping to dump Eckersley after giving up the Kirk Gibson HR.

Broxton is one of the top closers in baseball. He has been the closer for 1 year. He is 25. Yeah that sounds like a guy I would trade.

What you should complain about is Torre using him too much. He used him too much last year. The guy is a bullpen killer. Only superhumans like Mariano can survive.

How many times we gunna forgive the slob? Ain't one time (double delight.).....Torre? Well, if ya boy would chew some more innings up.......

Torre used him 26 times on back to back days and 19 times on 1 day rest. That is 45 games on very short rest. Mo Rivera? 20 and 14. Papplebon? 11 and 21.

The only two 21 year old pitchers in baseball history to give up less hits per 9 than kershaw are Vida Blue and Nolan Ryan.

Roger Clemens as a 21 year old
9-4 in 21 starts
era 4.32
133 innings / 146 hits
29 bb's/126 K's
13 HR's
whip 1.313

Clayton Kershaw as a 21 last season
8-8 in 30 starts
era 2.79
171 innings / 119 hits
97 bb's / 185 k's
7 hr's
whip 1.228

In 30 starts the Dodgers scored 3 or less runs 14 times.

Another loyal Pirates fan. I think that makes two of us on this forum. I always wear my hat whenever they play the Phillies.

Maybe this year they'll show some improvement. I like Russell, but I think they'll probably fire him sometime during the season. After all, the front office which is responsible for this mess won't shoulder any blame.

Very true about the front office. They could care less if they are at best fielding a AAA team. More and more reason why baseball needs a salary cap put in place. Seems like the front office always put the blame on the manager no matter what kind of team they putting on the field.

Eric Gagne was a Cy Young winner for the Dodgers.

cubs /sox w/s:rolleyes:

I suppose it's not too early for a drink:D

He's half right