Originally Posted by sham

Riley-you might have killed this thread. It is difficult to argue into those kinds of revelations about the reality of government controlled healthcare.

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

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Originally Posted by Riot
What do you think "they" are? Enemies? Who is "our"?


Yes, the dems are the enemy of the American people whether the American people realize it yet or not.


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Done.
Done.
Done.
If the Senate bill is the basis for reconciliation.

Aren't you happy now?




< paying for people here illegally will be changed alright. They will make it legal for them to be here and still bleed us dry
< tort reform is in the bill? not from what NPR has reported.
< ? I won't have any health insurance or I won't be taxed to pay for dead beats?

happy? we'll see


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What do you think about your health insurance premium costs going up 10-25% within this next year? You can afford that easy, right?



I know the taxes on my health insurance is going to be between $4 to 5k more when they allow the Bush tax cuts to expire.



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I like who is in office now. Voted for him.



yeah but you liked Carter.


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Your vague accusation of fraud in the 2008 election is interesting. Although completely unsubstantiable. Got anything factual on that? And tell me what you thought of 2000?



my accusation of fraud is based on the people ACORN registered and there are other examples but we only report voter fraud if a republican wins.

as far as my take on what happened in 2000, I assume you mean the Florida thing. Despite an attempt to stuff the ballot box they fouled it up completely and still lost. Voting machines are designed for 1 ballot at a time. you get dimpled and hanging chads when you try to run more than 1 through the machine or whatever they used. and when that failed they tried to change the rules then accused the court of selecting Bush when all they did was refuse a rule change.

But i didn't vote for Bush - he was too liberal



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The people do get to vote in 2012. Can't wait. Hopefully they will be Americans with excellent healthcare, and there will be 30 million less uninsured Americans voting than we are paying for now.




The people get to vote every year. I want the dems to lose the majority.

100% of the people I work with are against reform and 75% are against it nation wide. You think it is expensive now - wait until it is free.
are all those people that didn't choose to buy health insurance going to like paying for it instead of driving a new car or going on trips every vacation?

yeah there are all kinds of reasons but I don't feel like addressing portability etc


I don't see how they can get this reform past the supreme court <-- btw this is all FDR's fault. If he didn't tax the crap out of people companies wouldn't have to offer health insurance as an incentive to work for them and prices would have been controlled through the free market






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Oh, yeah, BTW, this is funny (although about financial reform): www.funnyordie.com the Presidents



maybe later. I've already spent too much time talking to people that don't care to listen..

Originally Posted by joeydb

Are you kidding? Who the hell would want that? To have the crappy health care of Canada and the U.K.? And their mortality rates from cancer?

No way. The Kool Aid drinkers on the left need to wise up. You guys are so in love with the idea of governmental control of every aspect of our lives that you are dismissing the real impact of your ill-conceived policies.

Originally Posted by sham

Riley-you might have killed this thread. It is difficult to argue into those kinds of revelations about the reality of government controlled healthcare.

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Have you met Riot?:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Riot, for this to work, they're gunna have to pass something to punish people that hire illegal immigrants etc. We've put up with that crap for a long time. We can't afford them anymore. I know they say Illegals aren't covered in the bill, but their gunna drop kids here (instant citizenship.) Cali is getting killed by it. We aren't better off with them.

Originally Posted by Danzig

my energy bill, property tax, car insurance, grocery bill, and telephone have all gone up since a couple years ago. maybe the govt can take care of that too.

Originally Posted by Riot

The government already well-protects your consumer interests regarding your telephone, energy, and groceries.

Of course, in the currently popular small movement to get rid of the government, that can go away. I'd say you'd miss it.

Edit: you know, one poster here mentioned he pays $269 a month for health insurance. Hope it's still affordable this summer at $300 a month, or even $330.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Wasnt the telephone industry deregulated?

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes. And?

Originally Posted by Riot

The government already well-protects your consumer interests regarding your telephone, energy, and groceries.

Of course, in the currently popular small movement to get rid of the government, that can go away. I'd say you'd miss it.

Edit: you know, one poster here mentioned he pays $269 a month for health insurance. Hope it's still affordable this summer at $300 a month, or even $330.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So the govt gets credit for regulating it but it isnt regulated?

Originally Posted by Danzig

well protects? my interests? i doubt it. .

Originally Posted by Riot

Sigh ...

I said:



Do you think that "deregulation" means there is no federal government involvement in consumer protections regarding telephone service?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You mean there are laws and they are enforced? really? I thought we lived in Somolia...

Originally Posted by Riot

Your purpose or point about posting a question about deregulation in association with a post about federal consumer protections was .... ??? Remains a secret?