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10 pnt move up 01-25-2010 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i'm sure everyone will sleep better knowing it's all part of his business model.
thats naive thinking...my experience is a lot less people care about the horses than you would believe.

MisterB 01-25-2010 11:29 AM
Ray didn't pull any punches. This is a job for Satish. Write a law that prohibits a owner to race more than 2 horses a week. You can even dress it up some. Make it look like a condition.

Owners, non winners of two life time, or 4 in the last 2 months get 5lbs.

:D

If Assman can win titles with his baggage, let the others go too.;)

freddymo 01-25-2010 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He had a thousand starts at Penn National last year alone.

Whenever you claim the types he does - very cheap horses with speed and often more proven ability than the level he claims them from .. you're going to get a whole lot of cripples.

And with the purses the way they are at Penn .. it's that much harder to kid gloves a cripple.

I guess he could always look to claim slower and sounder horses ... and win a whole lot fewer races and lose a tremendous pile of more money.

Or he could instruct his trainers to handle his army of many cripples like they're Ghostzapper .. and nurse them through four races a year campaigns .. while the fewer starts result in him losing more money and getting a lot less action.
DrugS Gill is killing horses with his ultra aggressive vetting.. I assume vets are behind the horses coming back to form.. I know all Gill horses run on IV DMSO (human Grade), I dont know how much of a real PED but apparently it works pretty good? He is killing way too many in the name of business and jocks now think they dont want him around..

freddymo 01-25-2010 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by richard
Inner track recorde holder at 5 1/2 F Melodeeman. 47-9-9-9 $258,161.
http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...012110USA2.pdf
Was Angel OK? He rides for me Wednesday..Not that he is so terriffic but I hope he is OK.

Danzig 01-25-2010 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
thats naive thinking...my experience is a lot less people care about the horses than you would believe.


no, i'm not naive enough to think this doesn't happen. but it doesn't mean it should be acceptable either. i'd imagine paragallo's horses went hungry for quite a while before anything was done-does that mean we should continue to turn a blind eye, because some engage in this type of behavior? absolutely not. i know that not everyone is in this business for love of the horses, for many it's just another form of competition. so what. michael gill should be run out of the game, for the health and safety of both horse and human. jocks ride those cripples he's using to win at all costs.

ARyan 01-25-2010 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He had a thousand starts at Penn National last year alone.

Whenever you claim the types he does - very cheap horses with speed and often more proven ability than the level he claims them from .. you're going to get a whole lot of cripples.

And with the purses the way they are at Penn .. it's that much harder to kid gloves a cripple.

I guess he could always look to claim slower and sounder horses ... and win a whole lot fewer races and lose a tremendous pile of more money.

Or he could instruct his trainers to handle his army of many cripples like they're Ghostzapper .. and nurse them through four races a year campaigns .. while the fewer starts result in him losing more money and getting a lot less action.
I am sure this type of thinking will comfort the jock in the hospital when one of Gill's horses breaksdown and takes his mount down too.

randallscott35 01-25-2010 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ARyan
I am sure this type of thinking will comfort the jock in the hospital when one of Gill's horses breaksdown and takes his mount down too.
Well said.

Scav 01-25-2010 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ARyan
I am sure this type of thinking will comfort the jock in the hospital when one of Gill's horses breaksdown and takes his mount down too.
You don't think the jocks know what is going on? They wouldn't have done what they did if they didn't know.

Never have I heard of jocks coming together, staying together, to NOT RIDE for a specific owner.

Hell, the jocks were united for about 32 minutes at Arlington when the whole surface issue came about, and the beat played on..

The Indomitable DrugS 01-25-2010 11:52 AM
If they don't want to ride his horses ... all they have to do is tell their agent that.

randallscott35 01-25-2010 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
If they don't want to ride his horses ... all they have to do is tell their agent that.
Unless it's Vic.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-25-2010 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ARyan
I am sure this type of thinking will comfort the jock in the hospital when one of Gill's horses breaksdown and takes his mount down too.
Migliore was put in the hospital over the weekend after a Mark Hennig horse broke down ... said horse was a 260K yearling who had good early speed and had been fairly competitive in allowance races.

He ran one bad race .. and was jammed in for a 25K tag instead of being allowed time off.

The horse died ... and atleast one owner (Maggie Moss) reached in to claim the horse for 25K.

Those are the types Gill will claim now ... except think 4K-to-10K instead of 25K. Some turn it around - some don't - and some go down.

I doubt the fate of the majority of those horses would have been any different if they raced under small-fry connections.

richard 01-25-2010 12:14 PM
What about health insurance for jockeys ? Do insurance premiums go up if they ride for high risk owners ?

randallscott35 01-25-2010 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Migliore was put in the hospital over the weekend after a Mark Hennig horse broke down ... said horse was a 260K yearling who had good early speed and had been fairly competitive in allowance races.

He ran one bad race .. and was jammed in for a 25K tag instead of being allowed time off.

The horse died ... and atleast one owner (Maggie Moss) reached in to claim the horse for 25K.

Those are the types Gill will claim now ... except think 4K-to-10K instead of 25K. Some turn it around - some don't - and some go down.

I doubt the fate of the majority of those horses would have been any different if they raced under small-fry connections.
Tell that to the Gil horse that had his leg sawed off at GP a few years back.

GBBob 01-25-2010 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by richard
What about health insurance for jockeys ? Do insurance premiums go up if they ride for high risk owners ?
There is no such classification as a high risk owner

Left Bank 01-25-2010 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Habersham000
Well the guy has Cole Norman training for him at his farm....that should say enough about the guy...he is no good
What's wrong with Cole Norman?

Duvalier 01-25-2010 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
If they don't want to ride his horses ... all they have to do is tell their agent that.
They don't want to ride in any race which has a Gill horse running in it. Doesn't matter if they are riding that horse or not...they are afraid of being behind a horse of his that breaks down and becoming part of it.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-25-2010 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Tell that to the Gil horse that had his leg sawed off at GP a few years back.
Cheaters doing what they can to try and not get caught.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-25-2010 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Duvalier
They don't want to ride in any race which has a Gill horse running in it. Doesn't matter if they are riding that horse or not...they are afraid of being behind a horse of his that breaks down and becoming part of it.
They know how hated Gill is by other horseman they ride for.

It's calculated handwringing.

the_fat_man 01-25-2010 12:35 PM
Sounds like the track vets, that are passing all of these horses, are doing a bang up job. :rolleyes:

Maybe if they step it up a bit, this would be a NON issue.

freddymo 01-25-2010 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Migliore was put in the hospital over the weekend after a Mark Hennig horse broke down ... said horse was a 260K yearling who had good early speed and had been fairly competitive in allowance races.

He ran one bad race .. and was jammed in for a 25K tag instead of being allowed time off.

The horse died ... and atleast one owner (Maggie Moss) reached in to claim the horse for 25K.

Those are the types Gill will claim now ... except think 4K-to-10K instead of 25K. Some turn it around - some don't - and some go down.

I doubt the fate of the majority of those horses would have been any different if they raced under small-fry connections.

Gill claims tough pro race horses...Horses that have started 20 plus times and had successful careers.. He claims anything that he thinks drugs will move up slightly and earn a few bucks with.. In a way he is smart.. claims for 5k drops to 4k adds drugs and looks to win a 7200 pay day.. jacobsen does the same crap but I havent seen many of his breakdown. I am all for racing horses when they are ok but you have to admit Gill is cheating and doing it unsafely


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