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saratoga guy 01-09-2010 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings
Consider that last year's picture was a MESS. Dettori dismount from Donativum, with the name of the race incorrectly spelled in the background, and practically the SAME picture having won an Eclipse a decade before.

Pop on over to www.equidaily.com [frontpage] for a comparison of this year's winner and the winner of -- not a decade ago, but -- just two years back...

Danzig 01-09-2010 10:34 AM

i think they could have found something better. expecting a horse to misjudge a jump isn't really something out of the ordinary considering how often it happens in those races.

SOREHOOF 01-09-2010 11:11 AM

It's pretty easy to take a video and pull 1 frame out of it for a photo. I'm not saying that was what was done, I'm just saying it's easy to do. I actually liked the photo of Leparoux almost going over the handlebars.

GenuineRisk 01-09-2010 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
It's pretty easy to take a video and pull 1 frame out of it for a photo. I'm not saying that was what was done, I'm just saying it's easy to do. I actually liked the photo of Leparoux almost going over the handlebars.

True, but the resolution isn't usually anywhere near still photography. That said, any professional sports photographer is going to use a camera that takes shots at an extremely high rate. I have no doubt the photographer took a dozen or more shots almost identical to this one, but this was the best one from that moment. Part of his or her job is knowing which shot is the best from the hundreds taken.

richard 01-09-2010 01:25 PM

I'm not an expert but this photo tells a story. By Mathea Kelley.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/images/con...sic09MK298.jpg

AeWingnut 01-09-2010 02:41 PM

and the guy works for the NY Slimes

gawd awful all the way around

PatCummings 01-09-2010 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by saratoga guy
Pop on over to www.equidaily.com [frontpage] for a comparison of this year's winner and the winner of -- not a decade ago, but -- just two years back...

Didn't even realize that...go freakin figure.

At the same time, I still don't think it is as bad as the Dettori flyer dismount.

PatCummings 01-09-2010 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by richard
I'm not an expert but this photo tells a story. By Mathea Kelley.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/images/con...sic09MK298.jpg

Considering some of the Eclipses that go out there, that man (Junior Hungerford) should get one himself because he single-handedly saved what was a likely tragedy live on TV.

Echo Farm 01-09-2010 08:11 PM

Just for interest, here's the last 11 winners all in one place. Unfortunately, I couldn't find photos 1998 & 2000

(I'll have to make it in 3 posts due to the 4 image limit)


1998 Ryan Haynes captures the dramatic fall of Self Reliance during a race at Northlands Park in Alberta, Canada, last July. Neither the horse nor rider Peter Wong was injured in the incident.

1999 Michael J. Marten appeared in the Nov. 8 issue of Daily Racing Form.


2000 Dave Landry's photo of Strike Smartly racing through flying mud, which appeared in the 2000 Queen's Plate Souvenir issue of the Canadian Thoroughbred,

2001 - Barbara D. Livingston, The Thoroughbred Chronicle


2002 - Michael Clevenger, Louisville Courier-Journal


2003 - Frank Anderson, Thoroughbred Times

Echo Farm 01-09-2010 08:12 PM

2004 - Cindy Pierson Dulay, Mid-Atlantic Thoroughbred


2005 - Lynn Roberts, The Blood-Horse


2006 - Matt Goins, Lexington Herald Leader


2007 - Douglas Lees, Fauquier Times Democrat

Echo Farm 01-09-2010 08:15 PM

2008 Matt Goins, photograph appeared in Al-Adiyat


2009 Jeff Taylor, Winchester Star, Virginia


herkhorse 01-09-2010 08:18 PM

Thanks Echo. good stuff


p.s. like the new sig.....well, I liked the old one too.

my miss storm cat 01-09-2010 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings
The typical shot of a horse with rider or two simply isn't that engaging - they are taken every day with very little variety, big race or not. surprising?

I respectfully disagree and would argue that that's precisely what separates a good photographer from a great one. It's like the photos with gimmicks have some unfair advantage.

... and again I have to disagree... I hated that shot of Stephen's Angel. It took zero talent... anyone could have taken it. It said nothing, it provoked nothing. It was emotionless.

A moody shot of an early morning workout (I've seen tons of these, many of them very very good), somethng like this...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alydar_...n/photostream/

(and for anyone who would argue I'm being a hypocrite and it is gimmicky well it's exciting anyway!)... a huge upset shot (Revidere showed me his of Interpatation beating Gio Ponti... that kinda thing), even the usual shots of a jock with an arm up in the air crossing the finish... some of them are lovely, powerful, amazing. There can be so much emotion in something that happens every day, over and over, race after race and track after track. It's never the same though, is it? The light is different, different horses and riders, backgroundss, weather... some of these every day shots are stunning.

There's beauty every damned day in this sport that we love. Excitement, intensity, amazing things... horses and jockeys who - love them or hate them - have the only job in the world where an ambulance follows them all day and there wasn't a better shot???. Exurbance, collective joy, victory, defeat, crowds, angle after angle of facial expressions and the muscles these creatures have, nostrils and tails, silks and movement and this is the best of the year?

It's sad because the photo of the year? I think it's something we should all be proud of. I think it represents us... or it could.

A 5 year old with a throwaway camera (if they still make those) could have taken this picture.

I'm disgusted.

my miss storm cat 01-09-2010 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Echo Farm

2005 - Lynn Roberts, The Blood-Horse

I had forgotten about this one when I wrote my post (re the link with something similar)...

Thanks for posting these, Echo Farm.

Echo Farm 01-09-2010 08:38 PM

One thing that hasn't been mentioned in this thread is that in order to be eligible for an Eclipse Award, the photo has to have been published during the year.

I'm sure there are hundreds of more interesting and worthy photos, but they didn't appear in a publication.

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Print submissions (news/commentary writing, feature/enterprise writing and photography) must have been published in a paid-circulation publication OR on the Internet at a web site that is a same-name affiliate of a paid-circulation publication or recognized broadcast news organization (e.g., The Blood-Horse Interactive, the Boston Globe Online, MSNBC).
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Photographers must submit via email in jpeg format one image of each photo, with NO identifying marks (e.g., photographer’s name). Photos must be accompanied by a letter from the entrant. The letter must include the name of the publication and date that the photograph appeared. The submission must be accompanied by a single "screen print" of the published photo showing date, publication title and photographer’s name. "Tearsheets" for Internet-based submissions will consist of a "screen print" of the document, which must be accompanied by a letter from the editor or equivalent senior official of the Web site, attesting that the photograph is the work of the author who submitted it and that it appeared on the Web site on the date(s) in question, in connection with a news-related story.

Please note that only the original photo will be accepted. Photographs which include color enhancement, "photo shopping" or alteration of the image, will not be allowed in the competition.
http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?type=pr&id=42702

my miss storm cat 01-09-2010 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Echo Farm
One thing that hasn't been mentioned in this thread is that in order to be eligible for an Eclipse Award, the photo has to have been published during the year.

I'm sure there are hundreds of more interesting and worthy photos, but they didn't appear in a publication.

I'd love to see what else was submitted... not just the honorable mention shots but what else was considered.

DaTruth 01-09-2010 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Echo Farm

That one brings back some bad memories. I played the rail horse, Rapid Proof, who went off at 17-1 that day.

Antitrust32 01-11-2010 09:32 AM

I think Revidere's shot of Kodiak Kowboy winning in the rain was the best photo taken this year.

Revidere 01-11-2010 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I think Revidere's shot of Kodiak Kowboy winning in the rain was the best photo taken this year.



Thank you!!! I'm biased, however. I think these should have been considered!






Linny 01-11-2010 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i think they could have found something better. expecting a horse to misjudge a jump isn't really something out of the ordinary considering how often it happens in those races.

If a photog sets up at a given jump on a 'chase course and waits long enough, he'll get a "wipe out" shot. It's like the hundred photogs in the BC winners circle waiting for Dettori to leap. My blind aunt could get that shot!

I agree with Pat about Cindy's shot from a few years ago. Maggie Kimmitt is also great at getting cool action shots and of course Barbara Livingston is always in the right spot for an action shot or great paddock shot.

Sarah Andrew does alot of cool shots, often with neat lighting effects etc and I have seen some shots taken by NYer Deb Kral that are spectacular. Some of Tod Marks' stuff in the Saratoga Special and Steeplechase Times are fabulous.

I'd much prefer any of that to the standard fare, especially is the "standard" stuff is a crash.


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