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pointman 01-06-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Oaklawn can pack them in and is the most likely winter/spring track for them to have a showdown because of size.

NT

60,000 has been no problem on past Arkansas Derby days.

Linny 01-06-2010 02:05 PM

I hope they keep her going. Honestly, since her works seem to be getting a bit faster, I wonder if they are waiting 'til after the HOY announcement.

DaTruth 01-06-2010 03:02 PM

What about a showdown in the Louisville Distaff on the Oaks undercard.

NTamm1215 01-06-2010 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth
What about a showdown in the Louisville Distaff on the Oaks undercard.

I love the idea but doubt the Moss' want any part of RA at 1 1/16 at CD.

NT

DaTruth 01-06-2010 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I love the idea but doubt the Moss' want any part of RA at 1 1/16 at CD.

NT

CD would likely change the distance if it ensured that both showed up. If CD had a later first post that day, then it could be run as the last race and get primetime coverage.

philcski 01-06-2010 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Revidere
How many people does Oaklawn get for that race?

I'd drive the 10 hours for that in a heartbeat.

Revidere 01-06-2010 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
I'd drive the 10 hours for that in a heartbeat.

I'd give you a ride.

prudery 01-06-2010 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I love the idea but doubt the Moss' want any part of RA at 1 1/16 at CD.

NT


I have no doubt that Rachel is formidable and fast, but anyone who owns a horse that can go under 1:34 in the body of a 10 furlong race ---that being the BCC--and close in the fastest quarter in the history of that race, would not fear ANY part of Rachel Alexandra ...

Respect yes, but want no part of, no ...

NTamm1215 01-06-2010 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery
I have no doubt that Rachel is formidable and fast, but anyone who owns a horse that can go under 1:34 in the body of a 10 furlong race ---that being the BCC--and close in the fastest quarter in the history of that race, would not fear ANY part of Rachel Alexandra ...

Respect yes, but want no part of, no ...

On the surface you have a point. However, it is the surface which nullifies it as well...

NT

smuthg 01-06-2010 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman
60,000 has been no problem on past Arkansas Derby days.

I was thinking they got close to 80,000 for Smarty's Ark Derby. With the size of the infield, they could pack in a pretty good crowd.

but to quote one of my favorite movie lines "Well, let's not start sucking each other's d*cks quite yet."

prudery 01-06-2010 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
On the surface you have a point. However, it is the surface which nullifies it as well...

NT

The record included ALL surfaces, but I get your point--though I do not agree with it ...

It is only an opinion, but I think Z is at least as good on dirt as her connections have stated, if not better, and if the race were run on turf, dirt, synthetic or cat litter, I would go with her ...

I have a healthy respect for RA and what she has done, but Z is faster than most give her credit for ...

She also runs those telling quarters at the races' end, unlike Rachel who does her fastest earlier, and shows catlike acceleration around the turn for home ...

After 50 years of race watching, I can not say Z is the best I have ever seen, but I can say she is the most unusual and compelling top drawer horse I have ever seen, and one whose bottom depths have not been even remotely navigated ...

Say what you will about the Woodward, but that was a filly bottomed out visibly, and the quality of the opponents which took her to her bottom were modest ... And it was only 9 furlongs ...

Jockeyspeak is usually twaddle to me , but I believe Smith when he says he is afraid of no one ...

And most of Z's wins were at 8.5 furlongs anyway ...

Danzig 01-06-2010 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Revidere
How many people does Oaklawn get for that race?


who cares as long as i get in!

Danzig 01-06-2010 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
I'd drive the 10 hours for that in a heartbeat.

i'll buy the first round!

DaTruth 01-06-2010 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery
but anyone who owns a horse that can go under 1:34 in the body of a 10 furlong race ---that being the BCC--and close in the fastest quarter in the history of that race, would not fear ANY part of Rachel Alexandra ...

The mile split in the Classic was 1:36.16.

RockHardTen1985 01-06-2010 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth
The mile split in the Classic was 1:36.16.

He said in the body.

prudery 01-06-2010 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
He said in the body.

Prudery is a MARE ...

And I did say in the body of the race--not the split ...

2Hot4TV 01-06-2010 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery
The record included ALL surfaces, but I get your point--though I do not agree with it ...

It is only an opinion, but I think Z is at least as good on dirt as her connections have stated, if not better, and if the race were run on turf, dirt, synthetic or cat litter, I would go with her ...

I have a healthy respect for RA and what she has done, but Z is faster than most give her credit for ...

She also runs those telling quarters at the races' end, unlike Rachel who does her fastest earlier, and shows catlike acceleration around the turn for home ...

After 50 years of race watching, I can not say Z is the best I have ever seen, but I can say she is the most unusual and compelling top drawer horse I have ever seen, and one whose bottom depths have not been even remotely navigated ...

Say what you will about the Woodward, but that was a filly bottomed out visibly, and the quality of the opponents which took her to her bottom were modest ... And it was only 9 furlongs ...

Jockeyspeak is usually twaddle to me , but I believe Smith when he says he is afraid of no one ...

And most of Z's wins were at 8.5 furlongs anyway ...

Oh no, does this mean that RA really doesn't want any part of the classic distance of 1 1/4 at equal weights? That's what I saw.

prudery 01-06-2010 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
Oh no, does this mean that RA really doesn't want any part of the classic distance of 1 1/4 at equal weights? That's what I saw.


She can go 10 furlongs, but depends who else is going OR coming ...

If we saw a bottom at alllegedly her optimum distance, chances are it will be there longer ...

Isaw it in the Woodward, but not in the Haskell in the slop ...

Indian Charlie 01-06-2010 09:34 PM

I don't believe Zenyatta had even made her debut at the time RA was beating males at 9f and longer (I'm talking within their respective 3yo years).

Not that you are right in the slightest anyways, but maybe you should consider that RA may very well likely improve with age, and possibly distance as well.

DaTruth 01-06-2010 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery
Prudery is a MARE ...

And I did say in the body of the race--not the split ...

Yes you did. My apologies. With that kind of performance, perhaps Zenyatta would not fear any other prior Breeders Cup winner at 10 furlongs.


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