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pba1817

12-13-2009 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by arizonadave

They need to stop running on Wednesdays.

And Thursdays, and most Fridays....

10 pnt move up

12-13-2009 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Stickhorse

Lots of needless drama in this thread

Barns are giving there stock a rest before the Santa Anita meet.

When I started following racing in the late 70's there was no December racing and Oak Tree finished up after the first week in November.

This will all be forgotten the day after Christmas.

Your joking right?

Can you tell me where all the 32 to 62.5k claiming races have gone? Where have all the maiden races, where are the Alw races?

The only thing left is stake races and mdn claimers, lots of those...the middle is gone. Heck even a staple 5 years ago. the mid level claiming grass race is all but disappeared, this has nothing to do with the HP meet.

letswastemoney

12-13-2009 11:11 PM

People still are betting though....if you build it they will come....even if they are 6 horse fields lol

2Hot4TV

12-14-2009 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Stickhorse

It aint the 70s anymore, Charlie Brown.

The mid level claiming ranks are just about gone.

2Hot4TV

12-14-2009 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

People still are betting though....if you build it they will come....even if they are 6 horse fields lol

You have no idea what it takes to own a horse in training in California.

The handle will just move to other tracks across the nation via the internet.

10 pnt move up

12-14-2009 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

You have no idea what it takes to own a horse in training in California.

The handle will just move to other tracks across the nation via the internet.

I laugh when I hear people say just let it die.....if there is no horse racing in socal, that would mean no simulcasting...what that hurt say NYRA, or Ky?

Would it hurt the farm economy in Ky?

alysheba4

12-14-2009 04:57 PM

right now, although not as bad as cali......but ALL RACING right now is hidious. i mean, aqueduct is a joke, the horses running at hawthorne / fairgrounds are MULES........its sad.

2Hot4TV

12-14-2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I laugh when I hear people say just let it die.....if there is no horse racing in socal, that would mean no simulcasting...what that hurt say NYRA, or Ky?

Would it hurt the farm economy in Ky?

The internet handle will crush the simulcast money.. No need to go to the track to wager and be around goobers and drunks.:zz:

I dont want California racing to die, but it's going to take tax incentives and larger purse money too bring the owners back. The owners are what makes the game, without thier investment it's only dirt thats left.

AeWingnut

12-14-2009 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

the bettors have a lot more to do with it. If the handle disappears there is no purse money for the owners to win.

California is spreading to other states

pba1817

12-14-2009 09:09 PM

I know the costs of being an owner or a trainer in California are silly high. Workers Compensation insurance premiums alone make owning a business in CA a tall order...

asudevil

12-14-2009 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817

I know the costs of being an owner or a trainer in California are silly high. Workers Compensation insurance premiums alone make owning a business in CA a tall order...

Workers comp 3x the amount of owning a business anywhere else....

10 pnt move up

12-14-2009 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817

I know the costs of being an owner or a trainer in California are silly high. Workers Compensation insurance premiums alone make owning a business in CA a tall order...

yup, insurance + taxes...hey. I have some wealthy friends who owned horses in socal...they have relocated businesses to other states, and not shockingly have horses at those tracks.

hockey2315

12-14-2009 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I laugh when I hear people say just let it die.....if there is no horse racing in socal, that would mean no simulcasting...what that hurt say NYRA, or Ky?

Would it hurt the farm economy in Ky?

Really? We don't have racing here in CT, but we have OTBs all over the state.

I'm sure no racing in So Cal would funnel more handle to other tracks.

10 pnt move up

12-14-2009 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut

the bettors have a lot more to do with it. If the handle disappears there is no purse money for the owners to win.

California is spreading to other states

I dont think its legal to have any kind if interstate betting if the tracks close.

10 pnt move up

12-14-2009 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Really? We don't have racing here in CT, but we have OTBs all over the state.

I'm sure no racing in So Cal would funnel more handle to other tracks.

and you think the laws are the same in every state....your funny.

10 pnt move up

12-14-2009 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Really? We don't have racing here in CT, but we have OTBs all over the state.

I'm sure no racing in So Cal would funnel more handle to other tracks.

also, please explain how that would attract new fans the sport in the largest economy in the country?

hockey2315

12-15-2009 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

and you think the laws are the same in every state....your funny.

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

also, please explain how that would attract new fans the sport in the largest economy in the country?

So the fate of racing in NY, KY, and elsewhere depends on new blood from California specifically (a more important market in the near future will probably be the international one)? Wouldn't the loss of a major competitor for handle and the influx of new horses and horsepeople counteract that a bit?

You would be a great racing exec under the current regime.

10 pnt move up

12-15-2009 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

It's "you're" - you + are.

If the tracks were to close in this completely hypothetical situation that I'm not necessarily arguing for (although CA racing right now is a complete joke) would those laws stay the same? Would all CA tracks have to close for the state to supposedly lose interstate wagering? What if Los Al were to stay open?

So the fate of racing in NY, KY, and elsewhere depends on new blood from California specifically (a more important market in the near future will probably be the international one)? Wouldn't the loss of a major competitor for handle and the influx of new horses and horsepeople counteract that a bit?

You would be a great racing exec under the current regime.

I don't know if you can run just at Los Al, maybe I guess.

I don't think it works like that, as far as long term model growth. That would be like saying we would all be better off with less competition, when in fact it works the opposite.

I would also argue that Ky is not as healthy as you may think. I have no clue on NYRA other than they were in bankruptcy last year.

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