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Nascar1966 11-04-2009 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
What a surprise...it was a shock they voted Dem in the first place

Hows good ole Jeb doing? Gearing up for that big run?

Obama easily in '12


How can you say O'Dumbass easily in 12 when he campaigned for the Democratic candidate who lost? Could this be a sign of change? Maybe voters are trying to send a message to the Democratic party. We will have to tune in and wait down the road.

GenuineRisk 11-04-2009 03:43 PM

So let me get this straight:

2 Democratic defeats in STATE elections= huge failure for Obama
2 Democratic victories in FEDERAL elections= don't mean anything

Just making sure I am on the same page with wingnut logic.

GBBob 11-04-2009 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966
How can you say O'Dumbass easily in 12 when he campaigned for the Democratic candidate who lost? Could this be a sign of change? Maybe voters are trying to send a message to the Democratic party. We will have to tune in and wait down the road.

Because the people who voted for Obama didn't turn out to vote Dem or for anyone else yesterday. And Corzine's problems in NJ, and NJ's problems in general were too great for even him to overcome.

I'd be more concerned with who your party is going to run for President 3 years from now and what platform, besides I hate Democrats, they are going to run on. If the economy turns around, and I think it will, the only really tangible issue you will have is the deficit. Now the right is going to roll out all their religious right social issues and trying to tell everyone how to run their lives and all of a sudden, the deficit doesn't seem so bad.

You and other right wingers will never vote Democrat anyway and I sure as hell will never vote Repubilcan, so it will be decided, as always, by the middle 10-15%.

gales0678 11-04-2009 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Because the people who voted for Obama didn't turn out to vote Dem or for anyone else yesterday

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Originally Posted by GBBob
. And Corzine's problems in NJ, and NJ's problems in general were too great for even him to overcome.

I'd be more concerned with who your party is going to run for President 3 years from now and what platform, besides I hate Democrats, they are going to run on. If the economy turns around, and I think it will, the only really tangible issue you will have is the deficit. Now the right is going to roll out all their religious right social issues and trying to tell everyone how to run their lives and all of a sudden, the deficit doesn't seem so bad.

You and other right wingers will never vote Democrat anyway and I sure as hell will never vote Repubilcan, so it will be decided, as always, by the middle 10-15%.


bob there is no guarantee that these people will turn out in '12 , the bloom will be off the rose and he will be seen as just another politician at that point

GBBob 11-04-2009 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
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bob there is no guarantee that these people will turn out in '12 , the bloom will be off the rose and he will be seen as just another politician at that point

Trust me...the memories of Dubya will still be fresh and you know that the Dems will be pounding that point 24/7. Before we had to campaign against Reagan and Bush 1..both people I didn't personally care for, but were still very popular figures. You guys pulled Carter, Dukakis and Mondale up every chance you got back then and it worked. You can be sure we will scare the hell out of the Independants by bringing up Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ashcroft etc every chance we can. Your only hope I think is to find a non-traditional Republucan candidate that attracts Independants but doesn't push away the Religious Right. And my money is that the Republicans won't find that guy, or girl.

miraja2 11-04-2009 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Trust me...the memories of Dubya will still be fresh and you know that the Dems will be pounding that point 24/7. Before we had to campaign against Reagan and Bush 1..both people I didn't personally care for, but were still very popular figures. You guys pulled Carter, Dukakis and Mondale up every chance you got back then and it worked. You can be sure we will scare the hell out of the Independants by bringing up Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ashcroft etc every chance we can. Your only hope I think is to find a non-traditional Republucan candidate that attracts Independants but doesn't push away the Religious Right. And my money is that the Republicans won't find that guy, or girl.

I obviously hope you are right Bob, but I fear gales may be correct. Look at all of the things we had going for us this time, and all the energy Obama generated among voters who had never participated before, and yet the popular vote was still relatively close.
Will there be that same energy in three years for re-electing an incumbent?
Will the Republicans nominate a ticket as bad as a crusty old man and a mentally handicapped woman again?
I'm not so sure.

Either way, it is still a long ways away, and as a political junkie, 2010 still interests me far more than 2012 at this point.

GBBob 11-04-2009 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
I obviously hope you are right Bob, but I fear gales may be correct. Look at all of the things we had going for us this time, and all the energy Obama generated among voters who had never participated before, and yet the popular vote was still relatively close.
Will there be that same energy in three years for re-electing an incumbent?
Will the Republicans nominate a ticket as bad as a crusty old man and a mentally handicapped woman again?I'm not so sure.

Either way, it is still a long ways away, and as a political junkie, 2010 still interests me far more than 2012 at this point.


I have great faith in their ability to understimate the intelligence of the American citizen and over estimate the appeal of being a right winger.

gales0678 11-04-2009 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Trust me...the memories of Dubya will still be fresh and you know that the Dems will be pounding that point 24/7. Before we had to campaign against Reagan and Bush 1..both people I didn't personally care for, but were still very popular figures. You guys pulled Carter, Dukakis and Mondale up every chance you got back then and it worked. You can be sure we will scare the hell out of the Independants by bringing up Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ashcroft etc every chance we can. Your only hope I think is to find a non-traditional Republucan candidate that attracts Independants but doesn't push away the Religious Right. And my money is that the Republicans won't find that guy, or girl.


let me guess in 2005 , you had obama winning in '08 , you and the other 100 so called experts had him in the white house - there is time to find a viable candidate

things are worse today than when obama took office, the deficit is higher , unemployment is higher , the dollar is weaker ,oil is higher , gas px's are higher ,iraq and afgh. are more out of control than they were last year.
to an extent there is a grace peroid that the american people wil give , but , you can't just keep drumming up all "these inherited" problems you are dealing with ....the american people know that you inherited them , what do you think they are stupid and have to keep reminding them ? what the american people will judge obama on is if he improves the country and right now he is failing and his policies are failing .....where is the job creation , where is the growth in gdp (less gov't spending) , why are oil prices going up again ??? these are not bush's problems now they are obama's and i don't see him fixing them

GBBob 11-04-2009 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
let me guess in 2005 , you had obama winning in '08 , you and the other 100 so called experts had him in the white house - there is time to find a viable candidate

things are worse today than when obama took office, the deficit is higher , unemployment is higher , the dollar is weaker ,oil is higher , gas px's are higher ,iraq and afgh. are more out of control than they were last year.
to an extent there is a grace peroid that the american people wil give , but , you can't just keep drumming up all "these inherited" problems you are dealing with ....the american people know that you inherited them , what do you think they are stupid and have to keep reminding them ? what the american people will judge obama on is if he improves the country and right now he is failing and his policies are failing .....where is the job creation , where is the growth in gdp (less gov't spending) , why are oil prices going up again ??? these are not bush's problems now they are obama's and i don't see him fixing them

Oil and Gas I'm not sure you have a leg to stand on based on where they were and where they are now. Again..we'll see in 3 1/2 years, not 10 months.

Did you really think everyone you listed would change in 10 months? I'm more upset at what hasn't changed in 10 months..

hoovesupsideyourhead 11-04-2009 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Trust me...the memories of Dubya will still be fresh and you know that the Dems will be pounding that point 24/7. Before we had to campaign against Reagan and Bush 1..both people I didn't personally care for, but were still very popular figures. You guys pulled Carter, Dukakis and Mondale up every chance you got back then and it worked. You can be sure we will scare the hell out of the Independants by bringing up Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ashcroft etc every chance we can. Your only hope I think is to find a non-traditional Republucan candidate that attracts Independants but doesn't push away the Religious Right. And my money is that the Republicans won't find that guy, or girl.

cannonshell in 2012'

Nascar1966 11-04-2009 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Because the people who voted for Obama didn't turn out to vote Dem or for anyone else yesterday. And Corzine's problems in NJ, and NJ's problems in general were too great for even him to overcome.

I'd be more concerned with who your party is going to run for President 3 years from now and what platform, besides I hate Democrats, they are going to run on. If the economy turns around, and I think it will, the only really tangible issue you will have is the deficit. Now the right is going to roll out all their religious right social issues and trying to tell everyone how to run their lives and all of a sudden, the deficit doesn't seem so bad.

You and other right wingers will never vote Democrat anyway and I sure as hell will never vote Repubilcan, so it will be decided, as always, by the middle 10-15%.


I dont always vote Republican. The only way I see O'Dumbass having a chance to win is how the economy is going in 2012. you are very correct in saying that the state of the economy will be a big issue comes 2012. I also dont have no religious nut case tell me how to run my life. Never have and never will. A reason why I mostly vote Republican is that they treat military and retirees much better than the Democrats do. Rumor has it that a retiree isnt going to get a COLA raise like in the past, yet food prices are higher, gas prices fluctuate. Historically when a Republican is in office they treat military much better than when a Democrat. The Denocratic party treats the military and retirees like second class citizens. Do you think its right that savage killers in Gitmo are going to get the oppurtunity to get the swine flu shot before someone else.

GBBob 11-04-2009 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
cannonshell in 2012'

I think the Republican Party is too Liberal for him

Riot 11-04-2009 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Your only hope I think is to find a non-traditional Republucan candidate that attracts Independants but doesn't push away the Religious Right. And my money is that the Republicans won't find that guy, or girl.

The scary thing to me is how willing the ultra-conservatives are to eat their mate. The Democrat Owens won in NY. That's a Democratic congressional seat. Yet the "Conservative Party" - whose candidate lost to the Democrat - is crowing this race was a success, a "win" because the moderate Republican quit the race?

Riot 11-04-2009 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
So let me get this straight:

2 Democratic defeats in STATE elections= huge failure for Obama
2 Democratic victories in FEDERAL elections= don't mean anything

Just making sure I am on the same page with wingnut logic.

Pretty much :D Michael Steele hip-hip-hooraying is a bit ... too happy a response, IMO.

Look, in 2010, it is the common and usual thing for the party not just elected President at the last election to regain about 40 seats at the midterms. That's a good thing - keeps those "Executive" and "Legislative" branches balanced. The key will be to see if 2010 yields an over or under average for the GOP.

Riot 11-04-2009 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
things are worse today than when obama took office, the deficit is higher , unemployment is higher , the dollar is weaker ,oil is higher , gas px's are higher ,iraq and afgh. are more out of control than they were last year.

The Great Recession did not turn into the Second Great Depression, the economy is turning around, troops are being brought home from Iraq and that is being winded down, troops were immediately boostered in Afghanistan, major kills against Taliban, and you received a tax cut this year.

Riot 11-04-2009 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Will the Republicans nominate a ticket as bad as a crusty old man and a mentally handicapped woman again?
I'm not so sure.

Either way, it is still a long ways away, and as a political junkie, 2010 still interests me far more than 2012 at this point.

I think the "Conservative Party" is going to split from the GOP, leaving two ineffective parties, unfortunately.

Yes, 2010 will be interesting for politicos :tro:

gales0678 11-05-2009 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
The Great Recession did not turn into the Second Great Depression, the economy is turning around, troops are being brought home from Iraq and that is being winded down, troops were immediately boostered in Afghanistan, major kills against Taliban, and you received a tax cut this year.

where ? if you take out cash for clunkers gdp growth was negative , just where is it that the economy is turning around?

tax cuts??? please expound on that one , everyone's taxes are going up after 2010 when the bush tax cuts expire

2 wars are still being fought with only the finish line showing for one of them

gales0678 11-05-2009 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Oil and Gas I'm not sure you have a leg to stand on based on where they were and where they are now. Again..we'll see in 3 1/2 years, not 10 months.

Did you really think everyone you listed would change in 10 months? I'm more upset at what hasn't changed in 10 months..


look at where oil was in march , gas too , explain to me how that is bush's fault again?

if it's ok to blame any president about high oil px's as was done from 04 - 08, why can't it be asked what the heck is the guy in wash dc doing about it now?

GBBob 11-05-2009 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
look at where oil was in march , gas too , explain to me how that is bush's fault again?

if it's ok to blame any president about high oil px's as was done from 04 - 08, why can't it be asked what the heck is the guy in wash dc doing about it now?

I've said in other threads that I really don't think President's should or can be held accountable for oil/gas costs. The only reason I singled out Bush is that he made it a campaign issue by stating that his close allegiances with Texas oil companies could only benefit the country. He also used it as some half assed justification for the war by stating that we will be paid back handsomly in oil for our costs incurred. Has that happened?

joeydb 11-05-2009 09:41 AM

It's funny how people will not just go down the street, handing over half of their paycheck to those who don't work, but will vote for government representatives who will do exactly that to them via the taxcode and social spending.


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