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jms62 10-06-2009 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brockguy
for those who want to check what the bookies over here are offering:

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-rac...t-racing/flat/

Can I lay the 14-1 on John Scott?

hockey2315 10-06-2009 06:12 PM

I'd book 25-1 on Pioneerof the Nile even if he wasn't already out to stud.

RockHardTen1985 10-06-2009 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
I'd book 25-1 on Pioneerof the Nile even if he wasn't already out to stud.

I dont get it.
I remember earlier this year you told me POTN was the favorite for the Classic because of the surface.

hockey2315 10-06-2009 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
I dont get it.
I remember earlier this year you told me PON was the favorite for the Classic because of the surface.

I think you're imagining things.

RockHardTen1985 10-06-2009 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
I think you're imagining things.

I know it was you Brian... You told me " his Santa Anita Derby win was DEVESTATING"
You said Baffert would have him ready to fire a career best effort in the BCC.

hockey2315 10-06-2009 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
I know it was you Brian... You told me " his Santa Anita Derby win was DEVESTATING"
You said Baffert would have him ready to fire a career best effort in the BCC.

Oh ya. . . right :rolleyes:

RolloTomasi 10-06-2009 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by robfla
saw Carlsbad run in person. She is freaky fast.

I think the DRF mentioned a day or two ago that they are not pointing to the BC with that filly.

mbahadur 10-06-2009 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardus
There is going to be a match race in the BC Turf?? That's intriguing.

Just as Well might be pointing to the Canadian International next weekend at Woodbine. If he runs there, he could wheel back in 3 weeks for the Breeders Cup Turf. Champs Elysees could also wheel back for a BC race (Classic or Turf) after running in the same race at Woodbine.

mbahadur 10-11-2009 12:27 AM

Steve Crist posted on his blog today, "If Cowboy Cal and Court Vision are now the leading American hopes for the Breeders' Cup Mile, the europeans should sleep well tonight."

He posted again after the Goodwood, "They're not only sleeping well in Europe tonight, they're probably laughing. Gitano Hernando had been considered a more serious candidate for the $500k Marathon than the $5 million Classic, but today's result may make his connections, and several others, take a longer look at the Classic. Students of time, however, will note that Zenyatta's winning time of 1:42.89 for 8.5f was sharply inferior to Gitano Hernando's 1:48.39 for 9f in the Goodwood 35 minutes earlier."

Look for the Europeans to be overflowing the entry box, which should make some of the races more difficult to handicap and less attractive for American bettors.

hockey2315 10-11-2009 12:59 AM

Why? Because of Crist's comments?

All the Euros already realize how soft the BC races will be this year and plenty of them have been pointing here since last year's successful invasion.

The races become far more intriguing as an American bettor with the Euros in partially because if you do your homework you'll have a huge edge on those you'll be sharing the pools with and subsequently because those who can't handicap Euro form will rely on the mostly weaker American contingent and skew the odds accordingly.

CSC 10-11-2009 09:23 AM

Forever Together seems to have lost a step this year.

RockHardTen1985 10-11-2009 10:16 AM

[quote=mbahadur]Steve Crist posted on his blog today, "If Cowboy Cal and Court Vision are now the leading American hopes for the Breeders' Cup Mile, the europeans should sleep well tonight."

He posted again after the Goodwood, "They're not only sleeping well in Europe tonight, they're probably laughing. Gitano Hernando had been considered a more serious candidate for the $500k Marathon than the $5 million Classic, but today's result may make his connections, and several others, take a longer look at the Classic. Students of time, however, will note that Zenyatta's winning time of 1:42.89 for 8.5f was sharply inferior to Gitano Hernando's 1:48.39 for 9f in the Goodwood 35 minutes earlier."



If Goldakova is the heavy choice in the mile, I will have no problem at all trying to beat her with CC and CV.

my miss storm cat 10-11-2009 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
$2 million TVG Breeders' Cup Mile

Goldikova
Court Vision
Justenuffhumor
Mr. Sidney
Ferneley

You can add Zacinto.... he's skipping the Champion Stakes and coming here instead.

jballscalls 10-11-2009 01:26 PM

i love that Steve calls it the Distaff still instead of Ladies Classic

mbahadur 10-11-2009 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Informed Decision seems like a near certainty to run in the filly sprint.

Looked mighty impressive at Keeneland yesterday. Ventura and Indian Blessing will take a lot of money in the F&M Sprint, which should provide a better price for Informed Decision (who beat Ventura the only time they faced each other).

RockHardTen1985 10-11-2009 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mbahadur
Looked mighty impressive at Keeneland yesterday. Ventura and Indian Blessing will take a lot of money in the F&M Sprint, which should provide a better price for Informed Decision (who beat Ventura the only time they faced each other).

There is no possible way that Informed Decision is a higher price then Indian Blessing on that surface.... Informed Decision and Ventura will be the choices and if you like Indian Blessing you might get a little bit of a price.

Kasept 10-15-2009 10:46 AM

$5 million Breeders' Cup Classic

Summer Bird (Ice)
Gio Ponti (Clement)
Rip Van Winkle (O'Brien)
Mastercraftsman (O'Brien)
Mine That Bird (Woolley)
Einstein (Pitts-Blasi)
Colonel John (Harty)
Richard's Kid (Baffert)
Zenyatta (Shirreffs) **
Quality Road (Pletcher)
Gitano Hernando [Questionable] (Botti)


$3 million Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Turf

Conduit [Questionable/Doubtful] (Stoute)
Spanish Moon (Stoute)
Just as Well (Sheppard)
Dar Re Mi (Gosden)
Precious Passion (Hartman)
Telling (Hobby)
Times Gone By (Mandella)
Spring House *Canani)
Skyrush (Vienna )


$2 million Breeders' Cup Distaff

Zenyatta (Shirreffs) **
Mushka (Mott)
Proviso (Frankel)
Music Note (bin Suroor)
Cocoa Beach (bin Suroor)
Life is Sweet (Shirreffs)
Careless Jewel (J. Carroll)
Rainbow View (Gosden)
Miss Isella (Wilkes)


$2 million TVG Breeders' Cup Mile

Battle of Hastings (Mullins)
Colonel John (Harty)
Courageous Cat (Mott)
Court Vision (Dutrow)
Cowboy Cal (Pletcher)
Delegator (Meehan)
Famous Name (Weld)
Ferneley (Cecil)
Ghanaati (Hills)
Global Hunter (Avila)
Goldikova (Head)
Karelian (Arnold)
Jungle Wave (Attard)
Justenuffhumor (McLaughlin)
Lord Shanakill (Jarvis)
Mastercraftsman (O'Brien)
Mr. Sidney (Mott)
Rendezvous (Hollendorfer)
Skyrush (Vienna )
Sterwins (Pierce)
Sweet Hearth (de Royer-Dupre)
Veranar (de Royer-Dupre)
Whatsthescript (Sadler)
Zacinto (Stoute)


$2 million Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Sprint

Zensational (Baffert)
Fatal Bullet (Baker)
Capt. Candyman Can (Wilkes)
Kodiak Kowboy (Asmussen)
Gayego (bin Suroor)
Cost of Freedom (Sadler)
Square Eddie (O'Neill)
Riley Tucker (Baffert)



$2 million Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf

Midday (Cecil)
Pure Clan (Holthus)
Magical Fantasy (Gallagher)
Look Here (Beckett)
Gozzip Girl (Albertrani)
Shalanaya
Dar Re Mi (Gosden)
Forever Together (Sheppard)
Ghanaati (Hills)
Diamondrella (Penna) **
Criticism (Albertrani)
Rutherriene (Clement)



$2 million Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile

Noble's Promise (McPeek)
Aikenite (Pletcher)
Lookin at Lucky (Baffert)
D' Funnybone (R. Dutrow)
Connemara
Citrus Kid (Contessa)
Bear Tough Guy (Baker)
Backtalk (Amoss)
Dublin (Lukas)
Pulsion (Biancone)
Gallant Gent (C. Lewis)
Aspire (Kenneally)


$2 million Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies

Negligee (Terranova)
She Be Wild (Catalano)
Blind Luck (Hollendorfer)
Beautician (McPeek)
Always a Princess (Baffert)
Bickersons (Breen)
Amen Hallelujah (R. Dutrow)
Devil May Care (Pletcher)
Biofuel (Baker)


$1 million Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile

Pyro (bin Suroor)
Mr. Sidney (Mott) **
Crown of Thorns (Mandella)
Monzante (Mitchell)
Quality Road (Pletcher)
Girolamo (bin Suroor)
Midshipman (bin Suroor)
Tizway (Bond)
Burley's Gold (Dutrow)
Misremembered (Baffert)


$1 million Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Sprint

Ventura (Frankel)
Indian Blessing (Baffert)
Sara Louise (bin Suroor)
Seventh Street (bin Suroor)
Informed Decision (Sheppard)
Evita Argentina (Sadler)
Diamondrella (Penna) **
Game Face (Pletcher)


$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf

Pounced (Gosden)
Bridgetown (McPeek)
Interactif (Pletcher)
Al Zir (bin Suroor)
Buzzword (bin Suroor)
Viscount Nelson (O'Brien)
Eskendereya (Pletcher)
Codoy (Hubley)


$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf

Smart Seattle (Motion)
Whydah (Pletcher)
Bay to Bay (Lynch) [Would need to supplement]
Termagant (?)
Hibaayeb (Brittain)
House of Grace (McPeek)
Tapitsfly (Romans)
You'll Be Mine (O'Brien)
Jungletale (Asmussen)


$1 million Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint

California Flag (Koriner)
Desert Code (Hofmans)
Fleeting Spirit (Noseda)
True to Tradition (Lake)
Diamondrella (Penna) **
Silver Timber (C. Brown)
Mr. Nightlinger (Calhoun)
Cabnnonball (Ward)
Noble Court (Sadler)
Chamberlain Bridge (Calhoun)


$500,000 Breeders' Cup Marathon

Rising Moon (R. Dutrow)
Nite Light (Pletcher)
Muhannak (?)
Septimus *O'Brien)
Schiaparelli (bin Suroor)
Mastery (bin Suroor)
Father Time (Cecil)
Askat Tau (Tregoing)
Geordieland (Osbourne)

CSC 10-15-2009 10:53 AM

I love the other Stoute horse in the turf if Conduit is doubtful.

Gander 10-15-2009 10:53 AM

Thanks Steve. This is getting very interesting as we get closer to the big day.

One question, have you heard that Hero's Reward (not on your list) is not going to run in the BC Turf Sprint? He is entered in Saturday's prep race in Canada along with Chamberlain Bridge, who I noticed you have on this list. I remember Hero's Reward had trouble in last year's BC race (down the hill) but was prominent in the stretch.

my miss storm cat 10-15-2009 11:42 AM

Geordieland out of the Marathon... Gladiatorus to the MIle.


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