No mud this year

I doubt the mud cost anyone a chance of winning a Breeders Cup race that day.

Curlin, Midnight Lute, Indian Blessing, War Pass would have won on anything dirt based.

So would Ginger Punch assuming she and Hystericalady had the same trips.

Just watched again, you right, he hung just a bit when he locked up with Bulls Bay but then regained himself

Ugh... Bear Now giving Ginger Punch the rail still kills me to this day.

drugs - the horse was hurt , he never even should have been entered , he wouldn't have beat a billy goat that day

A great race? He should have blown her away, he is a hanging plodder.

Maybe he is gay?

what horse was hurt?

It would be absurd not run in the Breeder's Cup Classic. He ran poor on polytrack in career start number two at Keeneland and the Lanes End early in his three year old year. All synthetics are not the same and he has everything to gain and not much to lose by running. He's owned by West Point and I can't see them keeping the horse in the barn the first Saturday in November.

Why, so he can run last at every call?

His surrounding dirt races were both 15 lengths better than his two synthetic races.

It's not like he was a bad horse when he tried synthetic and has since improved a ton. He's even MUCH worse than Pyro on it... if that's possible.

Anymore questions about the quality of last year's Travers? With Colonel John slated to run later today.

I was perplexed by him being made the morning line favorite... I thought for sure that role went to Rail Trip.

I think Macho Again will eventually raise Rachel Alexandra's place in history. I'm starting to re-evaluate the quality of this Woodward field minus RA. I wasn't a huge fan of his coming into this but upon closer examination he has been a pretty good performer. That's the name of the game, as horseplayer's and fans we constantly adjust our opinions, those that don't or refuse to admit they can be wrong are not...

BTW I was including Pyro, incase he was forgotten.

keeneland poly, Turfway poly, and SA pro-ride aren't near the same surface.

there really isn't anything to learn about Macho Again(and SA pro-ride) from his previous synthetic tries.

lear's princess

I'd be willing to bet he'd stink on that one too.

Everyone acts like each rubber track is so different, when in reality they are all pretty similar. Sure, they are a little different, and depending on maintenance they can change dramatically, but you don't see a lot of horses running vastly different from one synthetic to another.

I think Macho Again is horrible.

He's a solid 102-108ish Beyer horse... in today's world, that's good. The days of the 115 Beyer handicap division are gonesville.

I dont know Travis. I just dont see it, its like he falls into those numbers. He gets a pefect setup in The Whitney and clunks for second. I actually just watched the replay, he is making up no ground on Bullsbay. Then in the Woodward he is supposed to blow her away, and he just hangs. Maybe I dont give him any credit, but I think a handfull of the 3 yr olds are better as well as fillies like Zenyatta and Icon Project.