Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

all jokes aside NYRA should have trakus.

It's mildly funny when fatman predictably complains about problems with racing, but that doesn't change the fact that he is correct about most of the issues.
I'm not 'devoid of heart', I don't mind saying it. ;)

To be honest I haven't been following the turf condition closely. In my opinion you go off-the-turf on situations where you may damage the course. It doesn't matter if the course is playing slow, the only thing that matters is if you will damage the course or put horse and rider at risk with dangerous conditions. I haven't been following one way or another.

With Dominguez somebody said 54 mounts. Somebody said 9% winners, and somebody said 50% in the money. No wonder the topic has drifted. Non issue.

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm not talking about the lushness or greenness of the course but rather the KICKBACK. Additionally, did you notice any horses having traction problems out there? Your contention is that the course is overladen with moisture. And it follows that the concern is that the course will be eaten up (and, that it won't be safe). Now, I've seen races run other courses where sod is flying everywhere and horses are losing action. There's a minimum of the former and none of the latter in that race. Moreover, the pacesetter was a very comfortable 2nd in the race. Usually, on very heavy (water logged) turf courses, the speed completely collapses.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm sure the fact that we had over 4" of rain over a seven day period had absolutely nothing to do with this.

You seem to think we should have raced on the turf Saturday, and believe me I wish we had been able to, yet after nearly two days of warm weather ( one of which was also very windy ) to dry out the courses, when we finally ran one on the Widener ( which, in case you're interested dries much quicker than the inner ) the time was over 3 seconds slow.

Do you honestly think we want to take races off the turf if for no other reason than it causes a great loss of handle? Sadly, there was little choice.

Now, when you want to disagree with this, please try to stick to the points.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I beg to differ on a few points. First of all, in my experience, speed has always seemed very dangerous on boggy courses. On Sunday's race, the field was extremely gapped out, which is hardly common in turf races. Now, maybe the field had something to do with that, but it still seemed somewhat condition related in my opinion.

Originally Posted by freddymo

Why is it significant that the races were slower then they should be? That isn't the point the point is if the course was exposed to long term harm or was unsafe for horses and jocks.. The speed of the course is not significant.. When its super fast do we say OMG lets take the races off the turf because its a speed way and the mile and a 1/16th time is 1.36?

Originally Posted by rgustafson

Back on point, Lezcano riding the Belmont meet bodes ill for Ramon.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Lezcano's only riding on days where Monmouth is dark. He's riding full-time at Mth.

NT

Originally Posted by rgustafson

According to a post on Pace Advantage this morning, he is moving his tack to New York, No idea if this is accurate or not.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Was it that slewis guy? The IT dept blocks me from Pace Advantage at work...I thanked them for it.

NT

Originally Posted by philcski

It was actually in the NY Post.

I was kind of hoping my IT dept would block Pace Advantage as well.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Interesting about Lezcano- he's a very good rider and would only make the colonies at Belmont and Saratoga even deeper.

NT

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Watch his ride on Buddy's Humor last out. It was a GEM. I'm sure Levine, who actually has a clue about trips, was thrilled. I know I was.:rolleyes: