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CSC 04-29-2009 11:07 AM

Even if POTN doesn't win the derby will it really resolve anything? He may not win because he is not fast enough, not because of the surface.

hoovesupsideyourhead 04-29-2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by satan's twin
The other guy must be Jimminy Cricket.

:tro: :tro: :tro:

kgar311 04-29-2009 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mclem0822
Look, just because you have a different opinion than the guy does not make him an idiot! This guy works hours and hours, he's a freakin machine of knowledge about racing which I very much appreciate. Yes the constant POTN stuff gets annoying, he may be dead wrong here, but he is not an idiot. I have alot of respect for Jon White, and the contributations he brings to ATR.

Hes a wealth of knowledge...GREAT! this is his job, his field if work. I have knowledge also and dont even put in a fraction of time into it. If you are a so called expert its really not what you know or can recite about what happened in the past. In my book its about making smart decisions in future races and knowing all the angles. To come out and say something like POTN is not only going to win the Derby but win the whole damn triple crown is pretty IDIOTIC in my book. In no way shape or form does he have any solid evidence or prior history to go by that can support anything he says. Experts dont shoot off at the hip they are normally supported by evidence or fact which there is none here.

ateamstupid 04-29-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by satan's twin
The other guy must be Jimminy Cricket.


Antitrust32 04-29-2009 01:00 PM

watch POTN go win the Triple Crown... now that would be funny.

kgar311 04-29-2009 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
watch POTN go win the Triple Crown... now that would be funny.

If he does I will bow down and conciede that he is the greatest horse racing mind of all time.
Odds are I will not have to do that.

Antitrust32 04-29-2009 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311
If he does I will bow down and conciede that he is the greatest horse racing mind of all time.
Odds are I will not have to do that.


I completely agree

If he does win the Triple we will all have to sign a huge hallmark congrats card and send it to him.

Payson Dave 04-29-2009 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311
If he does I will bow down and conciede that he is the greatest horse racing mind of all time.
Odds are I will not have to do that.


so mouth... who are you going to be wrong about?.... and when you are wrong will that make you an idiot?... hope you do realize that even the very best handicappers are wrong more often than they are right

CSC 04-29-2009 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
so mouth... who are you going to be wrong about?.... and when you are wrong will that make you an idiot?... hope you do realize that even the very best handicappers are wrong more often than they are right

I'm sure many have picked Point Given, Empire Maker, Bellamy Road ...ect..ect to win the derby. They are probably still working in the biz, then why should it hurt one's rep when the business they are in is all about giving opinions.

Oaklawnfan 04-29-2009 01:21 PM

Whatever the success or lack there of for POTN, Tuesday's Drinking Game will never be the same.;)

kgar311 04-29-2009 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
so mouth... who are you going to be wrong about?.... and when you are wrong will that make you an idiot?... hope you do realize that even the very best handicappers are wrong more often than they are right


No, when I am wrong it wont make me an idiot. And yes I will post my picks before the derby. But I am not a handicapper on the national scene and I am not running around the country saying something as stupid as a horse that has never tried the dirt, never tried a mile and a quarter let alone a mile and a half is going to come across the country and beat up on some pretty decent horses in 3 gruling races in 5 weeks. It just doesnt make much sense to me. Unless of course this is the greatest horse of all time, which of course he is NOT

MISTERGEE 04-29-2009 01:25 PM

it will be fine just substitute one of his famous phrases

declansharbor 04-29-2009 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311
No, when I am wrong it wont make me an idiot. And yes I will post my picks before the derby. But I am not a handicapper on the national scene and I am not running around the country saying something as stupid as a horse that has never tried the dirt, never tried a mile and a quarter let alone a mile and a half is going to come across the country and beat up on some pretty decent horses in 3 gruling races in 5 weeks. It just doesnt make much sense to me. Unless of course this is the greatest horse of all time, which of course he is NOT


Tell me, Einsteen, couldnt this be said for every horse entered?

HaloWishingwell 04-29-2009 03:00 PM

I give Jon credit for speaking his mind and sharing his opinion. Until the race is over his opinion is as good as anyone else's. He easily could have just looked at the numbers and picked QUALITY ROAD, I WANT REVENGE and etc. If we all shared the same opinion(s) there would be a lack of chat here and money to take from others.

HaloWishingwell 04-29-2009 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
Tell me, Einsteen, couldnt this be said for every horse entered?


and after Saturday some of the horses that did run on dirt before the race will have excuses made for them that "they didnt handle the track". SO who the hell knows.

Danzig 04-29-2009 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
Tell me, Einsteen, couldnt this be said for every horse entered?

yes, it could. which is why people are going to question a person who so emphatically and persistently says one horse is going to do it all. especially when that horse hasn't ever raced over the type of surface on which all three tc races are held. in that regard, POTN is a bit behind horses who have shown ability over, and affinity for, a real dirt track.

HaloWishingwell 04-29-2009 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
yes, it could. which is why people are going to question a person who so emphatically and persistently says one horse is going to do it all. especially when that horse hasn't ever raced over the type of surface on which all three tc races are held. in that regard, POTN is a bit behind horses who have shown ability over, and affinity for, a real dirt track.

At the pace these horses are dropping out, Saturday's winner might have not have much left to beat by The Belmont.

dellinger63 04-29-2009 03:11 PM

It's a lot harder to take JW's position whether it be right or wrong. There will be only one winner and most will be 'off the board.'

HaloWishingwell 04-29-2009 03:18 PM

we've had quite a few Triple Crown attempts lately. It seems the best horses skip The Preakness and rest up for the Belmont. He feels strongly if POTN wins this one he'll take on easier for the Preakness. Finally he must think POTN's breeding and versatility can win The Belmont.

kgar311 04-29-2009 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
Tell me, Einsteen, couldnt this be said for every horse entered?

Why yes it can genius, but nobody is touting any other horse as the next triple crown winner.


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