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Kasept 04-21-2009 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Ahem...

Chocolate Candy: 1:42.0 -- Surprising Whittingham-style work as he goes a 7f to 7f mile. Absolutely tired and blowing hard after, but I'd assume that's exactly what Hollendorfer wanted.

Exactly... To expand on this morning's thoughts, Mike Welsch said was laboring a bit through deep stretch but that may have been a bit a function of the way the track was and the length of his work.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-21-2009 01:56 PM

Wait, Chocolate Candy is a gray?

HaloWishingwell 04-21-2009 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Exactly... To expand on this morning's thoughts, Mike Welsch said was laboring a bit through deep stretch but that may have been a bit a function of the way the track was and the length of his work.

Gray? Are sure you watched the right horse? CHOCOLATE CANDY is not gray.

HaloWishingwell 04-21-2009 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Wait, Chocolate Candy is a gray?

That would be a miracle unless he got completely covered in gray slop.

Sightseek 04-21-2009 01:58 PM

Good thing Stevies on dapple patrol. :p

HaloWishingwell 04-21-2009 02:00 PM

I must have an imposter of CHOCOLATE CANDY on my desktop because he sure isn't gray. Maybe you were looking at DUNKIRK.

Kasept 04-21-2009 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Wait, Chocolate Candy is a gray?

Sorry! My fault.. Meant that about General Quarters...

(Don't know why I confused it in with the Choc. Candy follow up...) :zz:

jms62 04-21-2009 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Sorry! My fault.. Meant that about General Quarters...

(Don't know why I confused it in with the Choc. Candy follow up...) :zz:

How did GQ work ? DRF's take wasn't positive.

Kasept 04-21-2009 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62
How did GQ work ? DRF's take wasn't positive.

He has a very strange, funky way of going..

Kasept 04-21-2009 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Good thing Stevies on dapple patrol. :p

Watch it there Derby Barbie... I'll put some dapples on your hind end.

Sightseek 04-21-2009 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Watch it there Derby Barbie... I'll put some dapples on your hind end.

!!!

hoovesupsideyourhead 04-21-2009 02:53 PM

go to the whip !!

CSC 04-21-2009 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Don't worry about the time so much here as the track was pretty dull today. He actually went another quarter to make it a full 7f effort. The work was very solid and Baffert was really pleased with it. Next week's outing will be a slight blowout so this was his 'major' work according to Baffert.


Baffert said something to that effect today in his typically jocular fashion... He said had he been in company with a target they'd make Pioneer the Derby favorite off the work.

Nothing beats confidence, typical Baffert. I just listened to Mike Welsch's DRF report, didn't get home in time for ATRB. If you are a backer of POTN you had to like what you heard. One of too many to consider.

FATPIANO 04-21-2009 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Good thing Stevies on dapple patrol. :p

Dapples are always a good sign

miraja2 04-21-2009 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62
I can see this coming a mile away.. POTN will drag me in and come Derby evening I will once again vow never to bet a syn only horse until one wins.:zz:

The same might happen to me. I like I Want Revenge a lot on top at this point, but I might like POTN underneath. Combined with his solid dirt/10f pedigree, positive works over the surface would obviously be a good sign, but I am not sure I quite agree with this statement from Welsch:
"Any questions regarding Pioneerof the Nile's ability to adapt to dirt after racing exclusively on synthetic surfaces throughout his career should have been erased after watching him glide across the track immediately after the break." (http://www.drf.com/news/article/103135.html)

Isn't saying that one good work means that "any questions...have been erased," along with calling him a "demon on the dirt" in the title of the article, a bit over the top?

blackthroatedwind 04-21-2009 06:47 PM

I look forward to a full post-Derby review of this thread. Aside from horses changing their colors for the Derby, I think the misleading information will be plentiful.

We'll see.

the_fat_man 04-21-2009 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I look forward to a full post-Derby review of this thread.

When is there ever an after-the-fact review?

Travis Stone 04-21-2009 06:59 PM

Every horse is supposed to look good, work good, look sharp, work sharp, handle the surface in the mornings etc. etc. etc. Why? Because they're the best right now. They are the top 20, figuratively, of the group... they've survived a massive crop of peers, tons of races, lots of issues and have made it. So, to expect journalistic eyes (of all walks... even those who don't watch horses daily, but write about it in blogs and in papers as if they do) to separate them like one might a group of $10k claimers on a Thursday afternoon is wishful thinking.

For 364 days out of the year most people bet, wager and handicap without a single word about how a horse looks. This race is no different.

Star of the North 04-21-2009 07:06 PM

Derby works
 
Still looking for the video of the actual works....

Anybody have a link to some video?

So far I have found video of Mike Welsch telling me about the works...

and the YouTube page for Kentucky Derby has Michelle Yu showing me how to make a julep....

Did anyone working at the track today maybe point a camera at a horse?

Any help appreciated,

SOTN

The Indomitable DrugS 04-21-2009 07:13 PM

I would probably expect the nation's highest priced yearling at public auction sold in '07 (Dunkirk) to look the best. And the nations highest priced 2yo sold at public auction in '08 (Desert Party) should probably work the best.

Horses like General Quarters (who was a 20k yearling - and debuted for a tag) shouldn't be dazzling either in the flesh or AM. Same goes for Musket Man - who was a 15K yearling and a 35K May 2yo sale RNA.

The two best horses in I Want Revenge (95K May 2yo RNA) and Quality Road (110K yearling RNA for a sire's who's avg was 2.5 times higher) should probably not be getting rave reviews at this time ... but since they are trained by a pair of magicians .. I wouldn't get that excited if they are.

Basically ... the only way I'd upgrade a horse is if there was a strong consensus going around that a horse like General Quarters or a Musket Man just looks amazing in the flesh and turned in some jaw dropping works.

The only way I'd downgrade a horse is if a horse like a Dunkirk or a Desert Party are getting poor reviews all around.


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