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philcski 04-20-2009 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Serena's Song was better and beat better.

But Serena's Song doesn't have plates that NYRA still tries to give out/sell for the jockey fund

:rolleyes:

10 pnt move up 04-20-2009 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
But Smith loses all credibility for being on Jockeys and showing the world his relationship with Sutherland. The HOF should kick him out based on that horrible show.

thats not a bad gig, 6 moths of the year he is with her and the other 6 months he can freelance.

KirisClown 04-20-2009 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Serena's Song was better and beat better.

Good call... Serena's Song beat some horses that would have manhandled Silverbulletday...

stonegossard 04-20-2009 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
thats not a bad gig, 6 moths of the year he is with her and the other 6 months he can freelance.


I am not saying it's a bad gig. Going on tv and playing kissy kissy with her twice a week is beyond nauseating though. I mean how many times can we watch Smith and her drinking wine and talking about their relationship.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-20-2009 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Serena's Song was better and beat better.

Tale of the Tape:


Record through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday 14-for-16
Serena's Song 12-for-21


Graded Stakes wins through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday: 13
Serena's Song: 11

Top Beyer:

Silverbulletday: 115
Serena's Song: 114

10 pnt move up 04-20-2009 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
I am not saying it's a bad gig. Going on tv and playing kissy kissy with her twice a week is beyond nauseating though. I mean how many times can we watch Smith and her drinking wine and talking about their relationship.

not enough obviously as the just signed for a second season, you may need more Pepto!

10 pnt move up 04-20-2009 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Tale of the Tape:


Record through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday 14-for-16
Serena's Song 12-for-21


Graded Stakes wins through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday: 13
Serena's Song: 11

Top Beyer:

Silverbulletday: 115
Serena's Song: 114

Didn't Serena's Song have a more ambitious campaign as a three year old?

KirisClown 04-20-2009 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Tale of the Tape:


Record through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday 14-for-16
Serena's Song 12-for-21


Graded Stakes wins through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday: 13
Serena's Song: 11

Top Beyer:

Silverbulletday: 115
Serena's Song: 114


How about a list of who they beat?

The Indomitable DrugS 04-20-2009 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown
Good call... Serena's Song beat some horses that would have manhandled Silverbulletday...

Through the summer of her 3yo season?

Like who?

KirisClown 04-20-2009 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Through the summer of her 3yo season?

Like who?

Why just through the summer? I'm looking at the entire 3yr old campaign.. not half a year..

Heaveny Prize comes to mind.. Serena's Song also beat males twice as a 3yr old..

KirisClown 04-20-2009 03:20 PM

For anyone that would like to see Serena's Song's career race charts...

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=7...4e75f6e8ebb871

The Indomitable DrugS 04-20-2009 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
DrugS, Silverbulletday was very good. I'm just saying her record is a bit misleading. She was beating up on Dreams Galore. When she faced a good horse in Beautiful pleasure, she lost.

Serena's Song beat Tejano Run in the Jim Beam. And beat a very good Heavenly Prize in the Beldame.

Tejano Run was not exactly a top horse when Serena's Song beat him. He was beaten double digit lengths in the Risen Star stakes by the mighty Beavers Nose in his prior start. And in his subsquent start - he was 3rd to Wild Syn in the Bluegrass ... albeit ahead of Thunder Gulch.

The race she beat Heavenly Prize didn't get a huge figure.

Excellent Meeting was an outstanding 2yo and the stronger part of the favored entry in the Kentucky Derby. Three Ring was also pretty decent - she was 3rd to them in the BC Juvie Fillies.

I'd give Serena's Song an edge in competition beat .. and I'd rate her overall a little better than Silverbulletday ... but Silverbulletday was WITHOUT question a better 2yo - and was atleast as good through the summer of her 3yo season.

philcski 04-20-2009 03:31 PM

Speaking of Serena's Song, Pletcher is using her unraced 3YO as a workmate for Take the Points.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-20-2009 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You think Excellent Meeting was a better horse than General Challenge?

Excellent Meeting's last 5 Beyers coming into the Derby were 100-101-108-96-106 ... four straight Graded stakes wins and a half length loss to Silverbulletday.

General Challenge were 93-91-95-95-108 .. he won the Santa Anita Derby in his most recent race - but was beaten by Kimberlite Pipe when 5th in the Louisianna Derby two back.

EM was the stronger part of the entry in my opinion - and she certainly ran the much better race of the two. That's all I said though ... I never said she was a better horse overall.

Excellent Meeting was eased early on in the Preakness at 6/1 next out. Never quite the same after that race.

KirisClown 04-20-2009 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The race she beat Heavenly Prize didn't get a huge figure.

Excellent Meeting was an outstanding 2yo and the stronger part of the favored entry in the Kentucky Derby. Three Ring was also pretty decent - she was 3rd to them in the BC Juvie Fillies.
.

You're being dismissive of Serena's Song beating Heavenly Prize.. then turn around and praise Silverbulletday for facing Three Ring and Excellent Meeting :confused:

Coach Pants 04-20-2009 03:56 PM

The post in the conversation part of the article is hilarious

The Indomitable DrugS 04-20-2009 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown
You're being dismissive of Serena's Song beating Heavenly Prize.. then turn around and praise Silverbulletday for facing Three Ring and Excellent Meeting :confused:

Heavenly Prize and Lakeway are a great tandem ... my only point was that she beat them when they weren't at their absolute best.

Heavenly Prize and Lakeway at their best are certainly better than EM and TR at their best


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