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GBBob 03-31-2009 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by miraja2
The thing I don't get - and the reason I brought up the death penalty - is why abortion seems to be the only issue that matters for some people.
For people like IrishofNDMan, it seems like as long as the person is anti-choice they are welcome at a place like ND, even if they disagree with the Church about other issues. If some other person agrees on a lot of the issues the Church has an opinion on, but is pro-choice....well, that person isn't welcome.
Now, clearly this isn't reflective of all Catholics, because Obama got 54% of the Catholic vote (as compared to under 50% of the Protestant vote), but a few high-profile Catholics have seemed to raise the anti-choice agenda as the one and only criteria for being a true Catholic.
As a former Catholic, that seems a little odd to me.
well said

Coach Pants 03-31-2009 11:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_BWMG8a3io

AeWingnut 03-31-2009 12:18 PM
the term anti-choice is so Orwellian

Someone explained to me that Norte Dame is no longer a Catholic School that many of the students aren't catholic and many of the professors are pretty much Ward Churchill.

Another fine institution taken over by parasites. I guess it is true that 97% of the seniors do want him to speak.

:wf

brianwspencer 03-31-2009 12:22 PM
Well, because it seems that people who vehemently disagree with me want to use townhall, WND, and newsmax as news sources...I figured this has as good a shot as anything:

http://townhall.com/columnists/Allen..._or_notre_dame

There are anti-choicers out there who disagree with your position, Austin.

Danzig 03-31-2009 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
I think in the bible it does read "an eye for an eye"
it also says turn the other cheek.

but then, i've always found that you can back up your position, whatever it may be, with something found somewhere in that book.

Danzig 03-31-2009 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by miraja2
The thing I don't get - and the reason I brought up the death penalty - is why abortion seems to be the only issue that matters for some people.
For people like IrishofNDMan, it seems like as long as the person is anti-choice they are welcome at a place like ND, even if they disagree with the Church about other issues. If some other person agrees on a lot of the issues the Church has an opinion on, but is pro-choice....well, that person isn't welcome.
Now, clearly this isn't reflective of all Catholics, because Obama got 54% of the Catholic vote (as compared to under 50% of the Protestant vote), but a few high-profile Catholics have seemed to raise the anti-choice agenda as the one and only criteria for being a true Catholic.
As a former Catholic, that seems a little odd to me.
i asked the same type thing a few weeks back in a thread that followed similar lines.
notre dame isn't a strictly catholic institution, so i don't see that a school who has a divergent student body can suddenly cry foul and use their supposed 'school religion' as a reason to bar a speaker.

and as a former catholic, a lot of what the church does, what it stands for, is odd to me.

Antitrust32 03-31-2009 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
it also says turn the other cheek.

but then, i've always found that you can back up your position, whatever it may be, with something found somewhere in that book.

i think it is unbelievable how many people believe that thing word for word. Simply unbelievable.

brianwspencer 03-31-2009 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
i think it is unbelievable how many people believe that thing word for word. Simply unbelievable.
Or more importantly, how many claim to, but really only believe it's literal when it fits what they want to hear.

SniperSB23 03-31-2009 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Or more importantly, how many claim to, but really only believe it's literal when it fits what they want to hear.
:tro: :tro: :tro:

philcski 03-31-2009 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Or more importantly, how many claim to, but really only believe it's literal when it fits what they want to hear.
2nd :tro: :tro: :tro:


...And Notre Dame still sucks.

SniperSB23 03-31-2009 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
2nd :tro: :tro: :tro:


...And Notre Dame still sucks.
Wonder how many are taking this one literally:

"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

Antitrust32 03-31-2009 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Wonder how many are taking this one literally:

"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."
its okay as long as you dont get caught!


and another :tro: to b-dub.

AeWingnut 03-31-2009 04:59 PM
I find it more ironic/ sad that people that are against the death penalty have zero problem with the murder of the innocent

brianwspencer 03-31-2009 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
I find it more ironic/ sad that people that are against the death penalty have zero problem with the murder of the innocent
Touche. Is it not the de facto anti-choice position to be pretty seriously thrilled with the death penalty? Good lord, I honestly can't remember the last time someone was anti-choice AND anti-death penalty. Ie, Killing real humans is totally good, it's just the murdering of blatocysts that's wrong.

10-4.

hi_im_god 03-31-2009 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
the term anti-choice is so Orwellian

Someone explained to me that Norte Dame is no longer a Catholic School that many of the students aren't catholic and many of the professors are pretty much Ward Churchill.

Another fine institution taken over by parasites. I guess it is true that 97% of the seniors do want him to speak.

:wf
i feel the same way about "pro-life".

why aren't these people blocking funeral's instead of medical clinics?

"you can't go in!"

"but my mother...she died..."

"there are other options."

but congrats to notre dame for being unafraid to hear another voice. this is the flip side of the inauguration controversy over who gave the invocation.

ateamstupid 03-31-2009 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
What sense does it make to hold the sanctity of life so high at your University yet let someone who could give a **** less about it speak? It's like letting a KKK member speak at MLK's funeral.
Yeah that's totally what it's like.

philcski 03-31-2009 08:39 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how someone who goes to Michigan State has such a strong pulse on what's going on at Notre Dame.

pgardn 03-31-2009 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by miraja2
The Catholic Church also opposes the Death Penalty.
Just out of curiosity, would you "lose a lot of respect" for the school if they allowed someone who was in favor of the Death Penalty to speak at the school?

I think in the bible it does read "an eye for an eye"

Knights of Colombus that was a horrible retort.

Im sure you are well-intentioned, but this is just
an awful response. The Pope would seriously
have to slap you. Eye for an eye...

Im sorry for my lack of sensitivity.
You gotta have a better answer than this.

Cannon Shell 03-31-2009 08:47 PM
Quick thoughts:
He is the President of the US. Though I disagree with the vast majority of his agenda, I doubt his commencement speech will be about controversial topics like abortion. if we only dealt with those we agreed with we would be an extremely disenlightened society. Protesting because of his stance on issues is not only disrespectful of the Office but is wrong.

Who the hell isnt so hung over or still drunk at the commencement that they can actually remember who spoke or what they said anyway?

Will he bring the telepromter?

AeWingnut 03-31-2009 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
i feel the same way about "pro-life".

why aren't these people blocking funeral's instead of medical clinics?

"you can't go in!"

"but my mother...she died..."

"there are other options."

but congrats to notre dame for being unafraid to hear another voice. this is the flip side of the inauguration controversy over who gave the invocation.

you have to go way outside the context of the argument to get where you are going.

Apparently zerO isn't providing another voice it's the same voice. The school has lost it's way. 97% of the graduates want to hear the teleprompter.

since we are talking about school... if someone is against school choice does that make them anti-choice?


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