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CSC 02-24-2009 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
The Olympics have the best testing out there and in addition they freeze samples that they can test down the line. So if Phelps was on something we'll find out down the line. That makes me a lot more willing to give the benefit of the doubt to him. Horse racing has taken the first step towards doing this and it would be fantastic if it could be put in place universally so that anyone who is using something undetectable now can be caught if a test is found for it later.
I have very little confidence in anything the Olympics does when it comes to testing, even if they do not find something, the cheaters can always be one step ahead. The point I guess I am trying to make is no one is out from under the umbrella of suspicion, Which really isn't fair to the select few clean atheletes.

CSC 02-24-2009 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
Never heard of the guy.



I refuse to believe Tiger ever has used anything, even if you wish to debate that strength and endurance play a role in golf.
Interesting you mention Tiger, I was listening to a sports talk show one day and even he was mentioned as possibly using droids, golf is a physically demanding game believe it or not, and droids would allow the muscles to recover quicker. I'm not accusing but I can't be sure either way, we've seen far too many bad eggs this decade that it would be foolhardy to atleast dismiss the possibility. It is Sad to paint everyone with a cloud of suspicion however.

Coach Pants 02-24-2009 02:21 PM
The thing about Phelps is he's been a world class swimmer throughout his career. He was tops in the world for his age group from 11 years old till now. He's more of a genetic freak than a cheat. Wouldn't shock me if he was taking something...but really he'd smoke his competition without it.

philcski 02-24-2009 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
The thing about Phelps is he's been a world class swimmer throughout his career. He was tops in the world for his age group from 11 years old till now. He's more of a genetic freak than a cheat. Wouldn't shock me if he was taking something...but really he'd smoke his competition without it.
Exactly... Tiger too. Was a freak at 3, 8, 13, 18, 23, 28.

Of course A-Rod was a freak as a junior baseball player in south Florida, and that turkey still found it necessary to take stuff (and lie about it)

Sightseek 02-24-2009 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
The thing about Phelps is he's been a world class swimmer throughout his career. He was tops in the world for his age group from 11 years old till now. He's more of a genetic freak than a cheat. Wouldn't shock me if he was taking something...but really he'd smoke his competition without it.
or other things. :D

CSC 02-24-2009 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
Exactly... Tiger too. Was a freak at 3, 8, 13, 18, 23, 28.

Of course A-Rod was a freak as a junior baseball player in south Florida, and that turkey still found it necessary to take stuff (and lie about it)
The thing is Tiger's trainer was ARod's also....umm...look at his physique and one has to atleast wonder. Both he and AROD got alot bigger when they got with this trainer.

ateamstupid 02-24-2009 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
Sounds like Louis Gonzales.
Or Brady Anderson.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-24-2009 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CSC
The thing is Tiger's trainer was ARod's also....umm...look at his physique and one has to atleast wonder. Both he and AROD got alot bigger when they got with this trainer.
I doubt steroids could help a golfer much.

philcski 02-24-2009 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by CSC
The thing is Tiger's trainer was ARod's also....umm...look at his physique and one has to atleast wonder. Both he and AROD got alot bigger when they got with this trainer.
are you sure they have the same trainer? Tiger's trainer is Keith Kleven, I couldn't find any links that suggested A-Rod has used him.

Antitrust32 02-24-2009 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I doubt steroids could help a golfer much.

bulky muscles would make it more difficult to golf.

Kind of like breasts.

philcski 02-24-2009 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I doubt steroids could help a golfer much.
theoretically you could practice longer at the range because you'd have more endurance and a quicker bounceback, but that seems like a pretty flimsy argument overall.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-24-2009 02:59 PM
I would think the best way to cheat at golf would be to use a souped up club or ball or something like that.

Scav 02-24-2009 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Or Brady Anderson.
Or Sammy Sosa

Antitrust32 02-24-2009 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
theoretically you could practice longer at the range because you'd have more endurance and a quicker bounceback, but that seems like a pretty flimsy argument overall.

When you are playing golf all the time and practicing at the range... your body gets into golf shape pretty quickly and its not very physically stressing. Its much more Mentally stressing!! Its not like the pro's carry their bag all day either.

I cant say I've ever looked at a golfer and thought "man that dude looks like hes on juice". I think steriods would have a reverse effect in golf.

Antitrust32 02-24-2009 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I would think the best way to cheat at golf would be to use a souped up club or ball or something like that.

A corked 3-Wood

Crown@club 02-24-2009 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I wish I had Mending Fence's pp's to show.

He was running for 25K condition claiming races - and after going to Wolfson, within two months, he's running 2nd by 1 length to English Channel. Than winning a Graded stake race a few weeks later - than a few weeks later coming back in the Grade 2 Dixie and breaking down on the lead causing Albarado to fall off of Einstein.

The problem is that Wolfson never had any of this magic before 2006. His win percentage and ROI stats always looked the same - and he wasn't an elite form reversal guy to say the least.

It's like a baseball player hitting .280 with 25 hr's and 85 RBI's for 12 straight years .. than he goes .375 with 60 hr and 150 RBI's for the next three years in a row.
Luis Gonzalez! Wait a minute....he wasn't even averaging 20 HR's per season.

Crown@club 02-24-2009 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
Sounds like Louis Gonzales.

Oops....already mentioned.

Sightseek 02-24-2009 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
bulky muscles would make it more difficult to golf.

Kind of like breasts.
or he could grow breasts and require gynocomastia surgery.

philcski 02-24-2009 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
When you are playing golf all the time and practicing at the range... your body gets into golf shape pretty quickly and its not very physically stressing. Its much more Mentally stressing!! Its not like the pro's carry their bag all day either.

I cant say I've ever looked at a golfer and thought "man that dude looks like hes on juice". I think steriods would have a reverse effect in golf.
Disagree... being diabetic, I'd get tired at the range after 300 balls (even when I played every day). Some pros hit that before breakfast. If I were a 'roider, maybe I'd be able to hit 2-3x that many.

CSC 02-24-2009 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I doubt steroids could help a golfer much.
I doubt it would help someone with a 18 handicap, but it could help someone who is a very good golfer become even better. I get your point, there are many variables that make a golfer good, strength is only one factor, but perhaps more importantly droids allow you to train more, or atleast more painfree. It allows muscles to recover at a faster rate and that can only be a good thing when you are playing competitive golf in my opinion.


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