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blackthroatedwind 11-18-2008 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by gales0678
andy - what about west point , i always felt that they were aggressive as well

High Finance was never the same after the Belmont and Lear's Princess probably should not have run in the BC

as you know , i do know an owner , and he tells me he has no say in what races the horses go to , it's pretty much up to mgmt



Of course it's up to management.

I don't speak for West Point but if you have any questions I suggest you contact Terry Finley.

cakes44 11-18-2008 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
Zayats crew is boarderline embarrassing. The way the horses are bought, spotted, campaigned, its a complete joke. Youd be hardpressed to find a group that has more highdollar busts than Zayat
I disagree. Z Humor has been very well-spotted and managed this year IMO.

Linny 11-18-2008 02:45 PM
Lear's Princess beat Rags to Riches in the Gazelle so she did "figure" in the BC as long as she could handle the mud. High Finance was spotted a bit agressively, IMO. I don't know of any partnership that allows shareholders to decide on placement.


Zayat has had some nice prospects fizzle. How'd that Maimonides work out? Z Fortune should have stayed in NY (or returned after not lighting things up in the Derby preps.) He was a NY bred who could have been useful. I like Premium Wine but he never quite seems to get there. Was (is) J Be K theirs? He's a nice sprinter, a useful type but not exactly championship caliber.

They spent alot of money for alot of horses. They'd have been better off with more focus and less of a wide net approach.

Scav 11-18-2008 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Linny
Lear's Princess beat Rags to Riches in the Gazelle so she did "figure" in the BC as long as she could handle the mud. High Finance was spotted a bit agressively, IMO. I don't know of any partnership that allows shareholders to decide on placement.


Zayat has had some nice prospects fizzle. How'd that Maimonides work out? Z Fortune should have stayed in NY (or returned after not lighting things up in the Derby preps.) He was a NY bred who could have been useful. I like Premium Wine but he never quite seems to get there. Was (is) J Be K theirs? He's a nice sprinter, a useful type but not exactly championship caliber.

They spent alot of money for alot of horses. They'd have been better off with more focus and less of a wide net approach.
Where is Z Fortune by the way? He was useful and could have done some damage within those NY bred stakes races, and Grade 2/3 races....

NoLuvForPletch 11-18-2008 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Of course it's up to management.

I don't speak for West Point but if you have any questions I suggest you contact Terry Finley.
I laughed...

cakes44 11-18-2008 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Where is Z Fortune by the way? He was useful and could have done some damage within those NY bred stakes races, and Grade 2/3 races....
He was last seen running 7th in the Iowa Derby, then 8th in the West Virginia Derby. Hopefully he's getting a freshening.

letswastemoney 11-18-2008 03:29 PM
Why was Lear's Princess retired?

NoLuvForPletch 11-18-2008 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Why was Lear's Princess retired?
She was sold @ auction for $2.7MM earlier in the month...

Bigsmc 11-18-2008 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
Zayats crew is boarderline embarrassing. The way the horses are bought, spotted, campaigned, its a complete joke. Youd be hardpressed to find a group that has more highdollar busts than Zayat
The Satish and DWL Show certainly burned some serious money.

pgiaco 11-18-2008 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasept
I think they paid $50,000 or maybe $70,000...

SUBORDINATION

21 Starts: 11-3-1 ($1,221,068)

At 3: Won Crown Royal Hollywood Derby (G1), Jamaica H. (G2), Hill Prince S. (G3)

At 4: Won Eddie Read H. (G1), Brooklyn H. (G2), Belmont Breeders' Cup H. (G2), Fort Marcy H. (G3), Canadian Turf H. (G3)


They also did well with Currency Arbitrage. And others...
They also had a filly named Illiquidity who Gary bought for $30k and they sold for mid six figures.

Antitrust32 11-18-2008 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pgiaco
They also had a filly named Illiquidity who Gary bought for $30k and they sold for mid six figures.

I LOVED that mare!!!!!! used to hotwalk her everymorning in Toga that high school summer off... she was my favorite.. very laid back to walk... just dont try walk behind her in the stall or she'll kick the crap out of ya!

Have a pic of her in the winner's circle at the SPAAAA!


Edit- and a gelding or colt Gary had at the time... by Affirmed... the horse's name was Antitrust... Guess where I got my handle name from!!

freddymo 11-19-2008 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Kasept
Seth Klarman's greatest success, dollar for dollar, came when Gary Sciacca trained his horses.
Did Gary train for free?

pgiaco 11-19-2008 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by freddymo
Did Gary train for free?
Umm, Violette doesn't train for free either and he hasn't had anything close to Subordination for the money.

pgiaco 11-19-2008 05:52 PM
IMO, they are all pikers compared to Ward/Oxley who wrote the book on how to win a "one other than" with an $800k purchase.:zz:

blackthroatedwind 11-19-2008 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pgiaco
Umm, Violette doesn't train for free either and he hasn't had anything close to Subordination for the money.

Not to take a side in the argument, as I don't have one, but what about Read the Footnotes?

pgiaco 11-19-2008 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Not to take a side in the argument, as I don't have one, but what about Read the Footnotes?
You could probably call it a wash between "Footnotes" and Subordination, but I think Klarman had a lot better, for a lack of a better phrase, second tier horses like Currency Arbitrage, Antitrust and Illiquidity with Sciaccca for a lot less money than he has spent with Violette.

philcski 11-19-2008 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Not to take a side in the argument, as I don't have one, but what about Read the Footnotes?
Read the Footnotes and Sharp Humor were two of the better NYB's that could have been special if they didn't get hurt. I liked them both quite a bit.

Payson Dave 11-20-2008 05:25 PM
reports of the demise may have been exaggerated...
6th Race. (C4) Approx Post 2:48PM MAIDEN
Purse $44,000 (Up to $8,360 NYSBFOA) One Mile
For Maidens, Two Years Old.
E07/23
1 Mario d'Oro(L1) Dk B/ Br.c.2 120 Dominguez, R Lazzinnaro, L Dutrow, Jr., Richard

E07/23
2 Tranquil Manner(L) B.c.2 120 Migliore, R Darley Stable McLaughlin, Kiaran

E07/23
3 Hayley's Victory(L) B.c.2 120 Sanchez, J Denholtz Stables Albertrani, Thomas Blk-On

R11/01
4 Delta Thunder(L) B.c.2 120 Maragh, R Cay, III, J Alexander, Frank

E07/23
5 Mr. Again(L1) Ch.g.2 120 Luzzi, M Gulf Coast Farms Benzel, Seth

R10/19
6 Well Positioned(L) B.c.2 120 Castellano, J Pompa, Jr., P Reynolds, Patrick Blk-On

R10/04
7a Mendelssohn(L) B.c.2 120 Lezcano, J Tabor, M Zito, Nicholas Blk-On

E07/23
8 Ducduc(L) Dk B/ Br.c.2 120 Velasquez, C Gessler, Jr., C Hennig, Mark

R10/19
9 Conservative(L) Gr/ro.c.2 120 Prado, E Phipps Stable McGaughey III, Claude

R10/16
10 Paydirt Ch.c.2 120 Garcia, A Peter E. Blum Racing LLC Levine, Bruce

E07/23
11a Miro(L1) Dk B/ Br.c.2 120 Castro, E Zayat Stables, LLC Mott, William

R10/16
12 Philotimo(L) Ch.c.2 120 Hill, C Turtle Bird Stable Asmussen, Steven

R11/01 13 Bull Toccet(L) Dk B/ Br.c.2 120 Coa, E Fein, E Tagg, Barclay


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