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GPK 10-07-2008 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Momentum? I have never heard of momentum used as a reason to make a play or not in baseball. I do know that the hitter at bat was far from a cinch to "hit the bal somewhere" as you have put it. The call wasnt the issue, it was the lack of execution. Had the Red Sox been pitching out on that pitch I would have said that it was brilliant on franconas part. But when a major league started cant make contact on a easilly hittable pitch, I find it hard to believe that it is the managers fault. Especially in light of the offensive problems that The Angels have had. You are a typical fan who always blames the manager or coach. They lost because they left a shitload of guy on base during the series, not because a manager called for a squeeze play with a bad hitter. Of course that fact is convientely forgotten. You want to call me a curmudegon yet your point is they had momentum? I thought you would at least told me that someone was in foul trouble or the clock was running out....

It has become a complete waste of time to try to talkabout anything around here because no one seems to want to discuss what happened or why, just call names when they dont agree...

Hell...you gave my boy away and I didn't even call you a name. At least not to your face anyways:)

Cannon Shell 10-07-2008 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GPK
Hell...you gave my boy away and I didn't even call you a name. At least not to your face anyways:)
I can get him back and send him to you..

then I can be called an indian giver too..

ateamstupid 10-07-2008 03:34 PM
OK, I'm wrong. Momentum means nothing in sports.

I don't solely blame Scioscia. Yes, they left a ton of runners on base. But they were in position to win that game and probably the series. And he blew it.

I have a feeling that if I started a thread saying it were a great call, you'd tell me how shitty it was, but that's neither here nor there.

GPK 10-07-2008 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I can get him back and send him to you..

then I can be called an indian giver too..

It's okay. I know how sensitive you are to being called names...

viscount26 10-07-2008 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/b...-scioscia-game

at least one other guy agrees with me, outside of docicu...
If it's any consolation, so do I. But being a Brit, what do I know

GPK 10-07-2008 03:42 PM
For a team that recorded 100 wins during the regular season, their run differential (+68) wasn't as high as you would think it would be. Then again, the Cubs (+184) led the league in that category...and they are at Scavs celebrating another first round sweep.

Cannon Shell 10-07-2008 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
OK, I'm wrong. Momentum means nothing in sports.

I don't solely blame Scioscia. Yes, they left a ton of runners on base. But they were in position to win that game and probably the series. And he blew it.

I have a feeling that if I started a thread saying it were a great call, you'd tell me how shitty it was, but that's neither here nor there.
No but I prefer to use facts and logic to back up my points. The democrat in you must abhor the use of facts and logic. If Aybar fouls the pitch off, the whole thing is forgotten. because he faild to execute the play called, they didnt score the run. Of course Momentum would have made shields throw a more biting curve in the bottom of the inning that would have prevented the Angels from losing. The point I brought up about the flaw in the Angels bullpen of having no one to face lefties being just as much to blame seemed to miss also. Of course momentum is more important in baseball than lefthanded pitching.

Cannon Shell 10-07-2008 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GPK
For a team that recorded 100 wins during the regular season, their run differential (+68) wasn't as high as you would think it would be. Then again, the Cubs (+184) led the league in that category...and they are at Scavs celebrating another first round sweep.
Momentum...

Cannon Shell 10-07-2008 03:47 PM
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It's okay. I know how sensitive you are to being called names...
I dont mind the names when valid points or a good discussion is going on. Hell no one calls me more names than Scuds and he has more inane theories than anyone.

ateamstupid 10-07-2008 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Momentum...
Ever heard of the term "new life"? It's what the Red Sox got. It's intangible, but it helped. If you honestly think the Red Sox suddenly being able to hit Shields in the ninth after being totally inept in the eighth had nothing to do with that horrendous call by Scioscia, I can't even talk to you. Not everything that affects games is tangible.

What color is the sky? I say blue, but I anticipate a fervent debate.

Cannon Shell 10-07-2008 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Ever heard of the term "new life"? It's what the Red Sox got. It's intangible, but it helped. If you honestly think the Red Sox suddenly being able to hit Shields in the ninth after being totally inept in the eighth had nothing to do with that horrendous call by Scioscia, I can't even talk to you. Not everything that affects games is tangible.

What color is the sky? I say blue, but I anticipate a fervent debate.
I love scuds despite his sometimes unusual takes but at least I know he watches baseball. You seem to come from the Brent Musberger school of thought where intangibles are everything and coaches are like puppet masters.

ateamstupid 10-07-2008 04:41 PM
You got me, Chuck. I've only been watching and playing the game since I was four years old, so I couldn't possibly know the things you do from yakking on NerdyTrail and playing fantasy baseball all year long.

That's what this is about, isn't it? You're convinced that I don't know anything about baseball, so any point I make, you'll provide the counterpoint.

That's cool, but I still say that if Scioscia doesn't make that call, the Angels would've scored at least one point in that quarter.

Scav 10-07-2008 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
You got me, Chuck. I've only been watching and playing the game since I was four years old, so I couldn't possibly know the things you do from yakking on NerdyTrail and playing fantasy baseball all year long.

That's what this is about, isn't it? You're convinced that I don't know anything about baseball, so any point I make, you'll provide the counterpoint.

That's cool, but I still say that if Scioscia doesn't make that call, the Angels would've scored at least one point in that quarter.
:rolleyes:

SCUDSBROTHER 10-07-2008 04:50 PM
We might get Kuo back(much needed lefty out of da pen.) Pitched great today, but gotta see if sore in Philly tomorrow morning.

Cannon Shell 10-07-2008 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
You got me, Chuck. I've only been watching and playing the game since I was four years old, so I couldn't possibly know the things you do from yakking on NerdyTrail and playing fantasy baseball all year long.

That's what this is about, isn't it? You're convinced that I don't know anything about baseball, so any point I make, you'll provide the counterpoint.

That's cool, but I still say that if Scioscia doesn't make that call, the Angels would've scored at least one point in that quarter.
You say things like the reason that the sox got hits against Shields was because the had "new life" and you want baseball cred? Maybe you could have said that they had two lefties against shields that inning, one who would have had the game winning hit if it were not for a great play by Teixiera. You want to be praised for your knowledge and you gave me momemtum and new life. Sounds like a religious experience. You refuse to discuss what happened and why it may have occured other than Mike Scioscia is a moron. You may be correct in that the call was a risky one. But to ignore the other factors makes me believe you dont really get it despite your lengthy experience. You think I simply disagree when I pointed out that the play was only a failure because of failed execution. If Eli Manning fumbles a snap on the 3 yard line is it a bad play coughlin called? Is it the coaches fault? Aybar fumbled. Not Scioscia.

Cannon Shell 10-07-2008 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
You got me, Chuck. I've only been watching and playing the game since I was four years old, so I couldn't possibly know the things you do from yakking on NerdyTrail and playing fantasy baseball all year long.

That's what this is about, isn't it? You're convinced that I don't know anything about baseball, so any point I make, you'll provide the counterpoint.

That's cool, but I still say that if Scioscia doesn't make that call, the Angels would've scored at least one point in that quarter.
Yeah and he called bad pitches in the bottom of the 9th too.

Cannon Shell 10-07-2008 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
We might get Kuo back(much needed lefty out of da pen.) Pitched great today, but gotta see if sore in Philly tomorrow morning.
Was there a game that we all missed today?

SCUDSBROTHER 10-07-2008 05:02 PM
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Was there a game that we all missed today?
He pitched this morning at the stadium(for the coaching staff etc.) Then, they flew to Philly.

ateamstupid 10-07-2008 05:25 PM
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You want to be praised for your knowledge.
LOL, WTF? No I don't. I want you to go back to being the cool guy I knew, rather than the holier than thou cantankerous dick you've become on this board.

SCUDSBROTHER 10-07-2008 05:31 PM
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LOL, WTF? No I don't. I want you to go back to being the cool guy I knew, rather than the holier than thou cantankerous dick you've become on this board.
LOL...I know one thing. This debate is a lot better than the one they are gunna televise tonite.


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