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philcski 09-11-2008 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by hrfan
OK, well we can start with Value, i clearly want no part of Music Note at 1-5.... if i play the pick 4, i will use both or single Country Star.
Small group, 2nd start back, turf to dirt.......... Should sit a perfrect trip, i see her being closer then Music Note and getting first run on her. The reassons to give her a chance in this spot are clear/obvious... Some ppl would use her, just as a alternative to the favorite.
Did you actually see any of Country Star's races?

She was terrible at Keeneland. Terrible in the Kentucky Oaks. Should have been taken down at Saratoga. She is the most overrated horse currently running.

She has NO shot on Saturday. NONE. ZERO.

hrfan 09-11-2008 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
For shi.ts and giggles how do you feel about Proud Spell?
I Slammed her in the bama, i took the 9-5 and loved it...
also hit pick 3 capped off with Ramon on the turf at a solid price the race after......
i like her better then music note, and would love to see her vs blessing again

hrfan 09-11-2008 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
Did you actually see any of Country Star's races?

She was terrible at Keeneland. Terrible in the Kentucky Oaks. Should have been taken down at Saratoga. She is the most overrated horse currently running.

She has NO shot on Saturday. NONE. ZERO.
i would not say most overrated horse currently running.....

hrfan 09-11-2008 09:21 PM
5,6,7 IN THE Futurity
the 4 might be a good one, but i wont go 4 deep

hrfan 09-11-2008 09:23 PM
i am done trying to make a case for Country Star, if she wins i get burned, i cant use her in here either, Music Note should crush this group, IMO its not that she is super, its this group is fing Horrible

hrfan 09-11-2008 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I think it's fair to say that there isn't a whole lot separating Proud Spell and Music Note. Their races against each other show it. So would you be trying to beat Proud Spell if you swapped her and Music Note on Saturday?
I dont think its fair... Proud Spell is a lot more tactical and Prefers 1 1/8.... Proud Spell would be more of a lock then Music Note. If Indian Blessing were in here, i would give her a chance to wire both of them, is that fair ?

hrfan 09-11-2008 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
What isn't fair about it? In their first race Proud Spell had trouble and was beat. In the Alabama, Castellano rode like a moron and Proud Spell showed tremendous heart digging in. They are damn close IMO and I'd love to see them hook up again. I'm not convinced Indian Blessing wants any part of 9 furlongs and while she would hold a huge tactical advantage, she wouldn't be on my tickets.
bama was 1 1/4, who has the advantage at that distance, CLEARLY Music Note.... at 1 1/8 proud spell is much much better IMO, and overall is much much better, because she defeated her at 1 1/4

hrfan 09-11-2008 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
What isn't fair about it? In their first race Proud Spell had trouble and was beat. In the Alabama, Castellano rode like a moron and Proud Spell showed tremendous heart digging in. They are damn close IMO and I'd love to see them hook up again. I'm not convinced Indian Blessing wants any part of 9 furlongs and while she would hold a huge tactical advantage, she wouldn't be on my tickets.
Indian Blessing is a changed horse... you say yourself huge tactical advantage, i dont see how you could leave her off is she was in here, she'd have to be most likely winner going 1 1/8 with no other speed at all, now 1 1/4 is a totally different story again.

philcski 09-11-2008 09:36 PM
On a side note, does anyone ever remember Pletcher sending out a runner that is so hopelessly overmatched (not including the owner-choice Kentucky Derby runners?)

hrfan 09-11-2008 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
On a side note, does anyone ever remember Pletcher sending out a runner that is so hopelessly overmatched (not including the owner-choice Kentucky Derby runners?)
NEVER

hrfan 09-11-2008 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
:wf

You're impossible. Proud Spell is much, much better?
I think so, i think Music Note is overrated had dead aim on Proud Spell and could not beat her....

Why are you totally tossing out the distance, that is Music Notes best, not Proud Spells, and Proud Spell still beat her.

blackthroatedwind 09-11-2008 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
On a side note, does anyone ever remember Pletcher sending out a runner that is so hopelessly overmatched (not including the owner-choice Kentucky Derby runners?)

Feels like an owner's call.

I'm looking forward to seeing how Awesome I Am fares. Obviously she's highly unlikely to win but I think she is very much the second best horse in the race and could have a decent future.

hrfan 09-11-2008 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Overrated? Based on what? She lost by a lip. I'm not tossing out the distance, I just don't know why you think one prefers the other. The results don't back you up.
Music Note does not prefer 1 1/4, are you serious ?
she ran her career best race at 1 1/4
proud spell had never run the distance, and still beat her...
as well as music note being bred to go 1 1/4

philcski 09-11-2008 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Not off the top of my head, but he owns her and I can't think of an easier spot to get some grade 1 blacktype. It's a longshot, but think about how much more she would be worth if she runs 3rd. As it stands, she's a claimer at best. But, she has nice breeding and could hit the board.
That has to be it. Maybe he figures she could clunk up for 3rd or something... or maybe the racing office begged him to get a 5th in there to offer tri's.

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Feels like an owner's call.

I'm looking forward to seeing how Awesome I Am fares. Obviously she's highly unlikely to win but I think she is very much the second best horse in the race and could have a decent future.
He is the owner, which is the strangest thing. I agree on Awesome I Am though, ice cold $8 exacta coming up...

hrfan 09-11-2008 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
That has to be it. Maybe he figures she could clunk up for 3rd or something... or maybe the racing office begged him to get a 5th in there to offer tri's.



He is the owner, which is the strangest thing. I agree on Awesome I Am though, ice cold $8 exacta coming up...
more then 8....
$12 at least


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