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TheSpyder 09-05-2008 07:29 AM
Someone will go down and he'll get a call and make more money with the short vacation. He's an OK QB, nothing special but that's half of all the QB's out there.

The Indomitable DrugS 09-05-2008 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dalakhani
The Vikings ranked fourth in total offense in 2004 while defense ranked 26th. Again, lets not let FACTS get in the way of an offbased position.
Yes - he managed to hit wide open guys underneath all year long in route to an 8-8 season. You should quit while you're behind.


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At the same time, Culpepper had a few GREAT YEARS. Regardless of how great Moss is, Daunte still had to deliver. In 2004 he did. And the leading receiver yards wise was Nate Burleson.
It was probably this kind of thinking that led to Culpepper destroying all of the fantasy football teams who drafted him in 2005 when he couldn't get out of his own way.

Nate Burleson? He was the Wes Welker of that offense! Feasting on linebackers and safteys in one on one coverage. How has Nate been doing lately?

dalakhani 09-05-2008 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
You didn't watch any of the games. All the coverage rolled to Moss and others guys were wide open. Some of Culpepper's biggest games came in losing efforts. In the 3 games Moss didn't play - they lost the first two - and needed two late touchdowns to beat the hapless Lions 22-19 in the other.

A decrepid Randell Cunningham, who had been out of the leauge for a few years prior, won the entire leauge MVP. An over-the-hill Jeff George was voted to the Pro Bowl and put up huge numbers in his lone 3/4 of a season with the Vikes as a starter.

Todd Bowman and Gus Ferrote - who both started two or three games apeice for the Vikes both won NFC Offensive player of the week awards as Vikes QBs with Moss.

Moss isn't an underneath or over the middle guy - he's a vertical guy who opens the field and creates mis matches all over. He doesn't need to have a single pass thrown his way to have a huge impact on the game.

Culpepper ran him out of Minny after 2004 - and now it's nice to see the agent/qb/imbecile out of the leauge.
If your position is that Moss was more respsonible for Daunte's success than vise versa, i agree. If it is that Moss was the catalyst for Minny from the time he was there until he left, then i also agree with that. He is in my mind the most talented receiver ever to step foot on a field.

But to say that Daunte was never any good? That to me is just a bad opinion that ignores obvious facts. Bad QB's dont have seasons like 2004 especially without their top WR producing. Its that simple.

dalakhani 09-05-2008 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Yes - he managed to hit wide open guys underneath all year long in route to an 8-8 season. You should quit while you're behind.

Tell me the indomitable DrugS doesnt need this style of theatrics when called out for a bad, indefensible position. Say it aint so. "you should quit while you are behind"? LOL. You are better than this drugS.



It was probably this kind of thinking that led to Culpepper destroying all of the fantasy football teams who drafted him in 2005 when he couldn't get out of his own way.

Nate Burleson? He was the Wes Welker of that offense! Feasting on linebackers and safteys in one on one coverage. How has Nate been doing lately?
Nate Burleson had 9 tds last season. I think that lead his team...a playoff team.

The Indomitable DrugS 09-05-2008 07:48 AM
He's good at exploiting obvious mismatches. That's about it.

dalakhani 09-05-2008 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He's good at exploiting obvious mismatches. That's about it.
Well, regardless, i can tell you are a huge Randy Moss fan as am I. I met Daunte once while i was vacationing with the family in Atlantis. Back then (2002) he was a humble gentleman that took the time to chat it up and didnt fail to tip the staff (as you know, a rarity with a lot of athletes). I was impressed.

Who knows the whole story about what followed. And who knows what he has turned into.

The Indomitable DrugS 09-05-2008 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Nate Burleson had 9 tds last season. I think that lead his team...a playoff team.
Spin away.

Since you are such a stats queen. Here you go with Nate's carrer stats:

year -- team -- games --catches -- yards -- TD's
2003 ---MIN------16------ 29 -------455 ----2
2004 ---MIN------16 ------68 ------1,006--- 9
2005 -- MIN ----- 12------ 30 -------328--- 1
2006 -- SEA------ 16 ----- 18 -------192---- 2
2007--- SEA----- 16------ 50 --------694 ---9

So much for that angle.

dalakhani 09-05-2008 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Spin away.

Since you are such a stats queen. Here you go with Nate's carrer stats:

year -- team -- games --catches -- yards -- TD's
2003 ---MIN------16------ 29 -------455 ----2
2004 ---MIN------16 ------68 ------1,006--- 9
2005 -- MIN ----- 12------ 30 -------328--- 1
2006 -- SEA------ 16 ----- 18 -------192---- 2
2007--- SEA----- 16------ 50 --------694 ---9

So much for that angle.

No one said Nate Burleson was "great"...but he did have a good season last year. And go figure...Randy Moss was playing on another team. Perhaps with your six degrees of Moss seperation you can figure out a way Moss helped him catch those 9 tds and 700 yards.

You asked what Burleson was doing lately and i told you. So much for that angle. LOL

hoovesupsideyourhead 09-05-2008 08:18 AM
agree dante was mostly a bust..he should have stayed in chi town and been a star..

SniperSB23 09-05-2008 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He's good at exploiting obvious mismatches. That's about it.
That's the job of a QB!!!! No one is putting down Moss, or saying Culpepper is some all time superstar but he was a very good QB for a stretch before his knee injury. Yes, he struggled to adapt in the short stretch between Moss and the injury but there was also a five game stretch in the middle of the 2004 season where Moss was injured and didn't have a catch and he put up QB ratings of 103.2, 62.1, 121.3, 117.9, and 97.5. Even if you add those 7 games the following season to those five games he comes up with a solid 83.7 QB rating while working with a receiving crew that you would be generous to call below average.

pmayjr 09-05-2008 07:05 PM
As a Vikes fan, over the years the guy would make us pull our hair out... He had some incredible seasons, but he also from game by game could look really inept and then brilliant the next.

I think a lot of Vikes fans as the years wore on got tired of the inconsistency. The year that Ferrotte subbed for Duante when he got hurt for a few games, he was really effective, and the fans wanted Ferrotte in there permanently. Yes, Gus Ferrotte, the career-journeyman who injured his neck intentionally ramming his head into a wall after a TD lol.

I've heard that his knee is finally healthy, so if the right situation comes along, or he swallows his pride, he'll play again. Let's hope that he manages his money a little better than Spreewell, so he doesn't have to come back because he's broke lol. I give his chances of coming back 50-50.

3kings 09-05-2008 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i thought he and leftwich both tried out, with the team choosing byron?
They both tried out, passed their physicals, and discussed contracts. Culpepper was not really interested in being a back up for the minimum. This made the decision easy for the Steelers, who then signed Leftwich who was excited to get back in the league.

ddthetide 09-05-2008 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 3kings
They both tried out, passed their physicals, and discussed contracts. Culpepper was not really interested in being a back up for the minimum. This made the decision easy for the Steelers, who then signed Leftwich who was excited to get back in the league.
Lord Byron should help Ben out alot and be dependable as a backup. he'll give the steelers a totally different look from Ben.

3kings 09-05-2008 08:30 PM
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Lord Byron should help Ben out alot and be dependable as a backup. he'll give the steelers a totally different look from Ben.
I'm hoping I don't ever get to see him. :D

ddthetide 09-05-2008 08:51 PM
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I'm hoping I don't ever get to see him. :D
good idea. that would mean the o-line and running game are doing their job.

Danzig 09-06-2008 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 3kings
They both tried out, passed their physicals, and discussed contracts. Culpepper was not really interested in being a back up for the minimum. This made the decision easy for the Steelers, who then signed Leftwich who was excited to get back in the league.
which makes you wonder why he tried out-did he really think he would be anything other than a back up in pitt?

ddthetide 09-06-2008 06:44 AM
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which makes you wonder why he tried out-did he really think he would be anything other than a back up in pitt?
i heard yesterday, he is acting as his own agent. he has himself way over valued, making his asking price to high. someone will be desperate in a few weeks and sign him.

3kings 09-06-2008 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
which makes you wonder why he tried out-did he really think he would be anything other than a back up in pitt?
I think part of the issue was the Steelers did not know at the time if they would IR Batch. He did not want to be the 3rd QB,and is hoping for a better opportunity to showcase himself for the future.

Danzig 09-06-2008 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ddthetide
i heard yesterday, he is acting as his own agent. he has himself way over valued, making his asking price to high. someone will be desperate in a few weeks and sign him.
he should have contacted atlanta. or the redskins. my god that game was painful to watch.

GPK 09-07-2008 12:39 PM
I guess we will find out if Moss can make Matt Cassel look like an All-Star QB


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