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hrfan 08-20-2008 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
Is it me or does anyone else think from a "value" perspective that Tale of Ekati looks good at 20-1? Without Big Brown, this race is going to be wide open.

I kind of like Colonel John as a sleeper too.

i dont think the Colonel is much of a sleeper, he will be bet... no more then 5-1

Cajungator26 08-20-2008 03:57 PM

Decent field ...

I like the good Colonel (especially at those odds.)

hrfan 08-20-2008 04:38 PM

the pick 4 might be impossible to hit, i see 6 deep in the travers and thats leaving harlem rocker out, i see 5 deep in the bishop and thats leaving j be k out.... i dont think russell bazes horse is a lock either, and the turf race is tough, im hoping war monger turns it around, but no way can you single there

Antitrust32 08-20-2008 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hrfan
the pick 4 might be impossible to hit, i see 6 deep in the travers and thats leaving harlem rocker out, i see 5 deep in the bishop and thats leaving j be k out.... i dont think russell bazes horse is a lock either, and the turf race is tough, im hoping war monger turns it around, but no way can you single there


i think it would be insane to leave j be k out. Just my opinion. This horse is a freak and he romped in his maiden at Saratoga.. And I dont understand going 6 deep in the travers and not having harlem rocker. I dont see harlem being a cinch by any means, but I also cant find 6 horses I'd like better than him...

hrfan 08-20-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
i think it would be insane to leave j be k out. Just my opinion. This horse is a freak and he romped in his maiden at Saratoga.. And I dont understand going 6 deep in the travers and not having harlem rocker. I dont see harlem being a cinch by any means, but I also cant find 6 horses I'd like better than him...

i cant use j be k, almost the same reasson why i pounded proud spell last week, his best race is no better then a few in here, then i also like wards horse and matz horse from out of the clouds, i just dont get using j be k at no price in the bishop i like the 1,4,6,7,10, IMO j be k has defeated no one, he continues to beat the lukas horse who is nothing special, saturday he faces some very serious horses, desert key, and kodiak are very very good, better then anything j be k has ever seen
in the travers i like 2,3,5,9,11,12

i have 3 days to trim it down and i will try to, but IMO j be k is the biggest play against on the card

Antitrust32 08-20-2008 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hrfan
i cant use j be k, almost the same reasson why i pounded proud spell last week, his best race is no better then a few in here, then i also like wards horse and matz horse from out of the clouds, i just dont get using j be k at no price in the bishop i like the 1,4,6,7,10, IMO j be k has defeated no one, he continues to beat the lukas horse who is nothing special, saturday he faces some very serious horses, desert key, and kodiak are very very good, better then anything j be k has ever seen
in the travers i like 2,3,5,9,11,12

i have 3 days to trim it down and i will try to, but IMO j be k is the biggest play against on the card


Good luck, I just dont see J be K losing in the form he's in. But that is why they run the race!

ateamstupid 08-20-2008 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hrfan
i cant use j be k, almost the same reasson why i pounded proud spell last week, his best race is no better then a few in here, then i also like wards horse and matz horse from out of the clouds, i just dont get using j be k at no price in the bishop i like the 1,4,6,7,10, IMO j be k has defeated no one, he continues to beat the lukas horse who is nothing special, saturday he faces some very serious horses, desert key, and kodiak are very very good, better then anything j be k has ever seen
in the travers i like 2,3,5,9,11,12

i have 3 days to trim it down and i will try to, but IMO j be k is the biggest play against on the card

He's baaack..

Coach Pants 08-20-2008 06:01 PM

Good betting race. I'll get to see the best 3 year old colts in the country run on Saturday. Doesn't get much better than that.

hockey2315 08-20-2008 06:04 PM

I think the only way to play the King's Bishop is to look for a speed duel between Desert Key and J Be K. They're both so fast/talented that I think they'll take each other out - Johnny V. says he's going to rate with Desert Key but that horse is a little headstrong. I'll rely on Kodiak Kowboy but also use some of the higher priced off-the-pace types.

3kings 08-20-2008 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
He's baaack..

Good Call........I think you are correct!

Gander 08-20-2008 06:36 PM

I like Jerken's horse Desert Key. The race he ran against Kodiak Bear was simply amazing. One of the gutsiest efforts I have ever seen. Shame he lost. Kodiak Bear had perfect trip and still only got by him by an inch.
I believe I have found my single for Saturday's late picks.

ArlJim78 08-20-2008 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
He's baaack..

yes i think you're right, too funny this guy. thats my laugh of the day.
good catch.

Kasept 08-20-2008 08:32 PM

8/23 (SAR): Travers; King's Bishop; Baruch; Vic. Ride
 
8th (4:03) Victory Ride S. (G3)

6 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Palanka City Coa E M 123 L
2 Throbbin' Heart Bridgmohan S X 120 L
3 More Happy Velasquez C 120 L
4 Informed Decision Velazquez J R 115 L
5 Indyanne Baze R A 123 L
6 Porte Bonheur Dominguez R A 120 L
7 Sly Storm Castellano J J 120 L
8 J Z Warrior Desormeaux K J 120 L

A-Coupled: Throbbin' Heart and J Z Warrior



9th (4:38) Bernard Baruch H. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Drum Major Velasquez C 115 L
2 Thorn Song Leparoux J R 118 L
3 Operation Red Dawn Dominguez R A 114 L
4 Elusive Fort (SAF) Coa E M 114 L
5 Distorted Reality Velazquez J R 115 L
6 Shakis (IRE) Garcia Alan 115 L
7 Proudinsky (GER) Prado E S 118 L
8 Sensational Humor Maragh R 113 L
9 Yate's Black Cat Albarado R J 115 L
10 War Monger Desormeaux K J 115 L



10th (5:10) NetJets King's Bishop S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Desert Key Velazquez J R 117 L
2 Gentleman James Aguilar M 117 L
3 Nautical Storm Velasquez C 117 L
4 Visionaire Garcia Alan 119 L
5 Silver Edition Leparoux J R 117 L
6 Kodiak Kowboy Saez G 121 L
7 Golden Spikes Trujillo E 121 L
8 J Be K Gomez G K 121 L
9 Salute the Sarge Desormeaux K J 121 L
10 I'm So Lucky Albarado R J 117 L
11 Lantana Mob Dominguez R A 119 L

A-Coupled: Kodiak Kowboy and Lantana Mob



11th (5:45) Travers S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Tale of Ekati Prado E S 126 L
2 Colonel John Gomez G K 126 L
3 Da' Tara Garcia Alan 126 L
4 Tizbig Velasquez C 126 L
5 Macho Again Leparoux J R 126 L
6 Cool Coal Man Velazquez J R 126 L
7 Amped Chavez J F 126 L
8 Harlem Rocker Coa E M 126 L
9 Mambo in Seattle Albarado R J 126 L
10 Tres Borrachos Baze T C 126 L
11 Pyro Bridgmohan S X 126 L
12 Court Vision Desormeaux K J 126 L

hrfan 08-20-2008 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
He's baaack..

im lost ?

Scav 08-20-2008 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hrfan
im lost ?

we know pg

hi_im_god 08-20-2008 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hrfan
im lost ?

i own no caps. pick another affectation.

hi_im_god 08-20-2008 09:06 PM

try capping the first letter of every word. sdjcom won't mind.

philcski 08-20-2008 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Travers is out.

1. Tale of Ekati, Edgar Prado, 20-1
2. Colonel John, Garrett Gomez, 8-1
3. Da' Tara, Alan Garcia, 8-1
4. Tizbig, Cornelio Velasquez, 30-1
5. Macho Again, Julien Leparoux, 6-1
6. Cool Coal Man, John Velazquez, 15-1
7. Amped, Jorge Chavez, 30-1
8. Harlem Rocker, Eibar Coa, 4-1
9. Mambo in Seattle, Robby Albarado, 5-1
10. Tres Borrachos, Tyler Baze, 15-1
11. Pyro, Shaun Bridgmohan, 7-2
12. Court Vision, Kent Desormeaux, 12-1

I think Cool Coal Man is way too high at 15-1. Disappointed to not see You and I Forever in there because he deserved a long look at what figured to be a square price.

CSC 08-20-2008 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
I think Cool Coal Man is way too high at 15-1. Disappointed to not see You and I Forever in there because he deserved a long look at what figured to be a square price.

I did a little also, though for me I don't think he is as good as some of these. Speed figures aside, at 15-1 I can certainly see him as a good value stab.

I looked at a few races earlier on and in particular I replayed some of Harlem Rocker's races to refresh my memory. I think if Coa can be patient and resist the temptation to move early on him we will see a big race from Rocker. This horse has one big move and the timing of it will be the key. Coa won't be able to get away with the premature move he made in the Wales if Rocker is to win a race of this level. That race should set him up well for the Travers.

VOL JACK 08-20-2008 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Travers is out.

1. Tale of Ekati, Edgar Prado, 20-1
2. Colonel John, Garrett Gomez, 8-1
3. Da' Tara, Alan Garcia, 8-1
4. Tizbig, Cornelio Velasquez, 30-1
5. Macho Again, Julien Leparoux, 6-1
6. Cool Coal Man, John Velazquez, 15-1
7. Amped, Jorge Chavez, 30-1
8. Harlem Rocker, Eibar Coa, 4-1
9. Mambo in Seattle, Robby Albarado, 5-1
10. Tres Borrachos, Tyler Baze, 15-1
11. Pyro, Shaun Bridgmohan, 7-2
12. Court Vision, Kent Desormeaux, 12-1

I think Grenings article on the front page on Mambo In Seattle killed any chance of getting 5-1. Wouldnt be surprised at the least to see him go off the post time fav, since he is the 'buzz' horse.


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