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blackthroatedwind 08-19-2008 12:51 PM
Well, I'm sure you know who I think would have won with a professional ride(r).

I also agree with your overall assessment. You have to take the good with the bad....and a lot of good happened to that horse. I won't be diving in at 6:5 next time.

NoLuvForPletch 08-19-2008 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He did make a nice move into contention after getting squeezed at the start, and he's almost certainly the best horse in yesterday's race, but he's also a 4YO who debuted in August.....26 months after being purchased as a 2YO.

Can anyone say major problems?
Something must've been special about him...they paid more than 40x stud fee for him...

CSC 08-19-2008 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He did make a nice move into contention after getting squeezed at the start, and he's almost certainly the best horse in yesterday's race, but he's also a 4YO who debuted in August.....26 months after being purchased as a 2YO.

Can anyone say major problems?
I think if anyone can, it would be Tagg. If I am not mistaken Showing Up had his problems, however that one did most of his damage as a 3 yr old I believe.

blackthroatedwind 08-19-2008 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by CSC
I think if anyone can, it would be Tagg. If I am not mistaken Showing Up had his problems, however that one did most of his damage as a 3 yr old I believe.


Showing Up was a superior animal.....and frankly Tagg didn't really keep him together.

This horse is, at best, a reasonably talented mediocrity. I think you need to take a longer look at who he was racing against. This horse is not, nor will he ever be, a " good " horse.

CSC 08-19-2008 01:09 PM
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Showing Up was a superior animal.....and frankly Tagg didn't really keep him together.

This horse is, at best, a reasonably talented mediocrity. I think you need to take a longer look at who he was racing against. This horse is not, nor will he ever be, a " good " horse.
I wasn't disageeing, I was just saying if anyone can get a 4 yr old Mdn. to produce he's in pretty good hands. From what I know Tagg is a good patient Trainer. No way this horse is Showing Up, no one quote me on that please....

philcski 08-19-2008 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CSC
I think if anyone can, it would be Tagg. If I am not mistaken Showing Up had his problems, however that one did most of his damage as a 3 yr old I believe.
I have a picture of Showing Up on my wall winning the Hollywood Derby. If he had stayed healthy, that was one nice colt. Go back and watch his Derby, chases his stablemate all the way around and is still 2nd with a furlong to go in only his 4th career start.

Gauchos0522 08-19-2008 03:38 PM
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Wrong. Watch the final furlong again. Dominquez had plenty of horse late and tried to squeeze through at the rail but had to give up as he had nowhere to go.. Of course Light Tatic went by with relative ease as Dominquez had to give up his quest to get through...
Did you watch the head on? Dominguez at the top of the stretch had the horse outside the two leaders and one of them shifted out while the winner ranged up outside of him. It looks as though Salt Water Reign began to drift a little bit inside where Dominguez took her to the rail where she had plenty of room. The horse was not good enough to win that race.

jms62 08-19-2008 04:08 PM
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Did you watch the head on? Dominguez at the top of the stretch had the horse outside the two leaders and one of them shifted out while the winner ranged up outside of him. It looks as though Salt Water Reign began to drift a little bit inside where Dominguez took her to the rail where she had plenty of room. The horse was not good enough to win that race.
I will watch the head on but from the pan in the final 1/16th it looked to me like the horse had good action.

Rudeboyelvis 08-19-2008 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Gauchos0522
Did you watch the head on? Dominguez at the top of the stretch had the horse outside the two leaders and one of them shifted out while the winner ranged up outside of him. It looks as though Salt Water Reign began to drift a little bit inside where Dominguez took her to the rail where she had plenty of room. The horse was not good enough to win that race.

She would (should) have been taken down even if she were to have gotten up for impeding the 7 by way of the 4 through the turn - there was plenty of room inside, I don't know if Dominguez was futzing with his goggles, lost sight of the wire, or if the horse just flat had nothing left...She was pretty damn near empty after the race... I agree though that she was outclassed in that field

Hickory Hill Hoff 08-19-2008 07:01 PM
I had a VERY good day on Monday! :D ;)

CSC 08-19-2008 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
I have a picture of Showing Up on my wall winning the Hollywood Derby. If he had stayed healthy, that was one nice colt. Go back and watch his Derby, chases his stablemate all the way around and is still 2nd with a furlong to go in only his 4th career start.
One of my favorite races of last year was the Marker's Mark, Pretty good field with Kip Deville outlasting Showing Up. Everyone knows what he went on to accomplish in 07. Sky Conqueror came out of that race to win at Churchill The Woodford Reserve, while Remarkable News won the Dixie and the Firecracker.


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