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cmorioles 08-13-2008 01:35 PM

Please explain me what was ridiculous about my comment so I can try to do better in the future.

CSC 08-13-2008 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Please explain me what was ridiculous about my comment so I can try to do better in the future.

Sorry, I should have highlighted Ivarone's comments. It wasn't your comments I was referring to.

ArlJim78 08-13-2008 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
IEAH take on this is easy. They want no parts of Curlin on dirt.

as if the surface would make any difference.

Cannon Shell 08-13-2008 03:03 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ill&id=3532060

Though I usually diagree with most of what he has to say this does make a good point. Namely why does a mega rich guy like Jackson "need" to retire a horse like Curlin when the money made by him at stud cant possibly make a difference in his or his families life? I suppose one could ask the same thing about a guy who started a commercial breeding operation in his mid 70's. I have no idea what his family situation is but there doesnt appear to be anyone close to the sport besides him and his wife. The funny thing is that I think the horse will be a bust at stud.

I know that if I was worth a billion dollars and had the best horse in the world you could bet he would be on display for as long as he was winning top races.

miraja2 08-13-2008 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ill&id=3532060

Though I usually diagree with most of what he has to say this does make a good point. Namely why does a mega rich guy like Jackson "need" to retire a horse like Curlin when the money made by him at stud cant possibly make a difference in his or his families life? I suppose one could ask the same thing about a guy who started a commercial breeding operation in his mid 70's. I have no idea what his family situation is but there doesnt appear to be anyone close to the sport besides him and his wife. The funny thing is that I think the horse will be a bust at stud.
I know that if I was worth a billion dollars and had the best horse in the world you could bet he would be on display for as long as he was winning top races.

Yeah YOU might think that.
But didn't Jackson make some ridiculous statement last year about how the horse could revolutionize the breed as a stallion?
Curlin is a good racehorse, and I guess we owe Jackson some thanks for racing him this year. Still, some of his statements and actions this year regarding the horse have been....well.....a bit odd.

SniperSB23 08-13-2008 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ill&id=3532060

Though I usually diagree with most of what he has to say this does make a good point. Namely why does a mega rich guy like Jackson "need" to retire a horse like Curlin when the money made by him at stud cant possibly make a difference in his or his families life? I suppose one could ask the same thing about a guy who started a commercial breeding operation in his mid 70's. I have no idea what his family situation is but there doesnt appear to be anyone close to the sport besides him and his wife. The funny thing is that I think the horse will be a bust at stud.

I know that if I was worth a billion dollars and had the best horse in the world you could bet he would be on display for as long as he was winning top races.

The whole improving the gene pool line is such a bunch of BS. Like retiring the horse after his 7yo season wouldn't still give him 13 seasons to cover 100+ mares if he turns out a success at stud.

Cannon Shell 08-13-2008 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Yeah YOU might think that.
But didn't Jackson make some ridiculous statement last year about how the horse could revolutionize the breed as a stallion?
Curlin is a good racehorse, and I guess we owe Jackson some thanks for racing him this year. Still, some of his statements and actions this year regarding the horse have been....well.....a bit odd.

Honestly i think the horse would have been retired if the ownership mess was resolved. He is soft on his dams side and he is very heavy. Heavy horses often produce slow horses.

miraja2 08-13-2008 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He is soft on his dams side and he is very heavy. Heavy horses often produce slow horses.

I really have no opinion on how he will be as a sire (not that I am actually any good at predicting those things anyway).
Tenpins is very closely related to Curlin (by Smart Strike, out of a Deputy Minister mare) and my first thought is that 6k for him will probably be a better deal than whatever Curlin starts out at.

parsixfarms 08-13-2008 04:07 PM

This whole affair is comical. After how IEAH have turned their back on NYRA's premier races since Big Brown's Belmont debacle (no Travers, Woodward or Jockey Club Gold Cup), there is no way in the world that I'd create the "little" turf prep that they want written for the middle of September. They don't deserve to get a race written for them in New York. Let them ship to Calder or some other second tier track to get their prep race.

Riot 08-13-2008 04:19 PM

It would be more fun to see Jackson and Ivarone square off on TVG and throw their bankrolls at each other's heads. Alternating lobs, scored for best hits 3 out of 5, three sets, a knockout automatic win.

Of course, Zito could gate-enter and probably win.

Thunder Gulch 08-13-2008 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Honestly i think the horse would have been retired if the ownership mess was resolved. He is soft on his dams side and he is very heavy. Heavy horses often produce slow horses.

Agree that the only reason we saw him this year is the crap with the owners.

sdjcom 08-13-2008 09:42 PM

Jackson-Ieah
 
Hell guys and gals , this is what they do for pr and keeping the talk on their
horses they probably had dinner last night together, and worked this angle for pr, all of you fall for the hype, the oldest pr trick in the book.

miraja2 08-13-2008 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom
Hell guys and gals , this is what they do for pr and keeping the talk on their
horses they probably had dinner last night together, and worked this angle for pr, all of you fall for the hype, the oldest pr trick in the book.

Oh shucks buster....they plum sure had us simpletons fooled.
Thank the good lord we's a got your wisdom 'round these parts to put us back on the right path.

letswastemoney 08-14-2008 04:33 AM

Why doesn't Curlin come to whatever grass race Big Brown goes to?

Danzig 08-14-2008 05:56 AM

because they weren't that impressed with his other try on grass? because they're chasing the all time earnings record, and big time purses in his next couple starts will get him there?

i am still amused that there was no mention of returning to turf with big brown until after curlins connections said they were going on dirt from now on. that's a way to avoid him without really seeming to do so...

jms62 08-14-2008 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
"When you offer to make a donation to charity, it shouldn’t come from anywhere but the heart. We’ve made significant donations to various charities."

If it truly is from the heart JACKASS then then why do you feel the need to point it out ???? Again, so transparent...

sdjcom 08-14-2008 08:25 AM

you're real sharp, and catch on fast, duh!!!!

jms62 08-14-2008 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom
you're real sharp, and catch on fast, duh!!!!

When you fire shots like that can you please quote the post you are commenting about.. That way the person you are insulting will want to rip your head off. ;)

King Glorious 08-14-2008 12:28 PM

If either side wanted to issue a real challenge, they'd publicly say "we'll be in Boston on 9/20 for the Mass Cap. Be there if u aren't scared." It solves all the problems. It's real dirt which the Curlin people want. It's not on the Belmont dirt which the BB people don't want. It's plenty of time to prepare since BB's last race. It's plenty of time before the BC to give time to prepare for that race. And Commentator might be there too. It's perfect.

Danzig 08-14-2008 02:42 PM

true king...but i think curlins peeps are interested, while big browns are not. they didn't outline big browns next two races until word came out that curlin would do dirt the rest of the year, and would be skipping the bc. that way, they can try to take the high road, rather than appear that they are ducking-and they ARE ducking.
big brown hasn't run in a race yet that curlin could enter. jackson has been upfront about curlins schedule, giving ieah the info they needed should they wish to engage, which they obviously don't.

thing is, curlin won't have ? over his head due to the non match up, but big brown will. and they won't get many thinking big brown would come out ahead in a match up with curlin.


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