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Originally Posted by sdjcom

i'll say it to anyone's face if they are standing in front of me. also give me tv coverage , everyone who reads this post will say i'm right to themselfs.

i'm thinking no.

random guy on internet or people handling the animal.

i still give a slight edge to actual trainers and vets.

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

remember the race at tampa bay and the horse in the paddock was in distress
fron heat? barkley tagg must have seen him the vet must have seen him hell even steve byk mentioned it on atr he seen the horse was more than a little wash-out from the heat. did anyone bring it to the attention of the owners to scratched the horse? was they afraid to ask them or barkley? what a bum
deal for the bettors you cannot see the horse up close on the internet. this is what i'm talking about, nobody cares in these stakes races because of the money. if a horse is out of form coming off lay-off sure they are not 100% fit
but racing them into shape is find . but if a horse has a injury or sick like a fever it takes time, even if medications make them feel ,look and eat better.

If you are talking about the Tampa Bay Derby, Tagg's horse, Big Truck, won.

If you are talking about the Sam F. Davis, Tagg's horse, Big Truck, finished a nice closing second.

What I think you are trying to say, in only the way you can, is that Z Humor for Billy Mott was washed out in the Sam F. Davis.

He wasn't in distress from the heat, his head was gone. He ran a credible race in the FOY in South Florida (just as hot or hotter weather) 8 days after the Sam Davis. If he was in heat distress at Tampa, the Foy would have been a disaster.

Nobody scratches a horse because he is sweating.

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're taking the wrong approach. Think of it as a Jackson Pollack painting. You're not supposed to read it......just stare at it and soak it in.

Thanks Andy, you are always the voice of reason.

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Just gotta love the new smileys

:{>: :tro: :wf & the above

I'm still waiting for them to come out with the middle finger one :p

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're taking the wrong approach. Think of it as a Jackson Pollack painting. You're not supposed to read it......just stare at it and soak it in.

or maybe a picasso, squint, scratch your head, and walk off wondering exactly what it was supposed to be...

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're taking the wrong approach. Think of it as a Jackson Pollack painting. You're not supposed to read it......just stare at it and soak it in.

I was never much of an art conniseur.

I'd love to get some of the sh!t this guy smokes.

The triple crown has a 140 yr history. Horses use to run every two-three weeks back in the day . Now horses are in layoff more than they run and superstar horses race a Maximum of 10 times in thier career with 2-3 months in between races. Horses are treated like kings today

September 1974 my ass. This guy wasn't alive in September 1994.

What the **** is you saying?

Even I have to chime in on this one. This guy is whacked. The Crown is now lock city.

Some have suggested to just look at this post and stare, others have suggested to equate it to a painting. But for our Mensa members may I suggest the following:

You have 20 minutes to rearrange the letters to say something that actually makes sense. And for the elite members, you must keep the capital letters as the first one in the word.

READY...............GO!

Spyder

PS: Another thread o be sent down to Morty to chew on

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

I Know Most Of The Bloggers Here Don't Like Me . And After This Post I'll Be Banned For Life. However I Love Horse Racing And Have Watched It Since September 1974.
Just Take A Moment And Think, Not One Person On The Radio, Web Sites , Writers ,the Pros. Nobody Has Said This. They Have Said Things Like If Big Brown Is 80% He'll Still Win. If He Is Not 100% What An Injustice To Big Brown , Racing Fans And Horse Racing.
We Will Be On Worlwide Telecast Millions Watching, And Nbc Will
Talk About Nothing But The Quarter Crack, And Show Picturesand All The Stuff Smut That The National Inquirer Would Like To Show.
God Forbid Big Brown Comes Up Lame, Or Limping Or Worst. It Will
Set Horse Racing Back 100 Years.
We Just Had A Big Problem In The Last Month With Peta And All The Liberal No-nothing About Horse Racing Commentors Wanting To Ban Racing. Now I Would Like To Ask The
Vet Doing The Work On Big Brown. If This Was Another Race, If This Was Another Horse. Claimer, Alw , And The Owners Or Trainer Ask You If They Could Run In 14 Days What Would You Tell Them?
I Think He Would Say Give Him A Couple Of More Weeks Or Time Off.
Nothing Heals A Wound Like Time. The Pressure To Run In The Triple Crown , The Tv Coverage, Big Brown Will Never Have Another Shot
At This Has Caused Everyone Including Dutrow To Go Against Their
Gut Feeling. Its Wrong To Ask Big Brown To Run If He Is Not 100%.
That Is The Injustice. His Record Reputation Is On The
Line. But Big Money, Tv And Greed And Our Own Excitment To Want To See The Triple Crown Be Run Has Clouded Our Judgement. I Know Nothing About Being A Vet, A Trainer , A Jockey, Hell I'm Afraid Of Horses, But After 34 Years, I Know If The Horse Isn't Right Then It's An In Justice To Him. If He Loses They Will Blame The Quartercrack.
I Hope He Wins . I Have Been On His Bandwagon In All My Posts Since Fla Derby. With Everything On The Line Money Fame Glory Immortality, I Still Think It's Wrong To Ask Any Horse To Run
Less Then 100%. But We Humans Really Don't Care. Its' All About The Money. God Forbid If He Comes Up Lame... So Long Everybody

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder

Some have suggested to just look at this post and stare, others have suggested to equate it to a painting. But for our Mensa members may I suggest the following:

You have 20 minutes to rearrange the letters to say something that actually makes sense. And for the elite members, you must keep the capital letters as the first one in the word.

READY...............GO!

Spyder

PS: Another thread o be sent down to Morty to chew on

I don't have enough sleep under my belt for the first part....

I picture Steve dangling this thread like a piece of raw meat over Morty the Predator's head. Morty is foaming at the mouth, jumping and snapping at the thread. Steve chuckles evilly as he drops the thread into esoteric much to Morty's delight.

Morty shreds the thread in one post and all is well in the world again.

Yep, Steve, you need to redo this site to include a "Morte Button" that we can press to send threads down his way.

Or, you could do it....

Spyder

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

September 1974 my ass. This guy wasn't alive in September 1994.

i think you've got it wrong here. this has to be an oldtimer. he refers to the liberal media and calls the people on here bloggers. that and the fact that there is a cantankerous old man type of feel to his rants, ala John Franks. i think this guy was in his thirties when he watched his first race back in '74.

Eye Kant Understand Wut Dis Guy Is Tryin Too Say.
Their Our Two Manny Spellin Misteaks.

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Eye Kant Understand Wut Dis Guy Is Tryin Too Say.
Their Our Two Manny Spellin Misteaks.

so he went to public school.

I couldn't read it.

but I went to public school

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I wish people were forced to say the same things publicly that they are brave enough to say on the internet.

I'm too slow to dodge all the tomato's.

The only thing I'll add to this is that with BB's status as it is, it is really a disservice to the bettor. Not that I would bet a 2-5 shot anyway, but would you want to bet him knowing what has gone on over the past week? But there will be people that DO know the true story and they will be able to take advantage, and that is unfair to the "horseplayer". BB's value aside, because I'm sure BB is insured for a zillion dollars at this point, but I wouldn't or couldn't put anything past Dutrow. This is a guy that ran a horse in back to back races at NYRA. Yes it was the last on Sunday and first on Wednesday, but still that's 2 race in like 68 hours. So, most of us will be unaware of the true situation, and there will be millions and millions of dollars bet on the race. Running this horse at less than 100% is what is most likely going to happen. And as someone else has already pointed out, they've got the perfect excuse.

I think Dutrow should show everyone his 180K win ticket on to assure the betting public that ALL systems are go.

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

The only thing I'll add to this is that with BB's status as it is, it is really a disservice to the bettor. Not that I would bet a 2-5 shot anyway, but would you want to bet him knowing what has gone on over the past week? But there will be people that DO know the true story and they will be able to take advantage, and that is unfair to the "horseplayer". BB's value aside, because I'm sure BB is insured for a zillion dollars at this point, but I wouldn't or couldn't put anything past Dutrow. This is a guy that ran a horse in back to back races at NYRA. Yes it was the last on Sunday and first on Wednesday, but still that's 2 race in like 68 hours. So, most of us will be unaware of the true situation, and there will be millions and millions of dollars bet on the race. Running this horse at less than 100% is what is most likely going to happen. And as someone else has already pointed out, they've got the perfect excuse.

I think Dutrow should show everyone his 180K win ticket on to assure the betting public that ALL systems are go.

Since when does racing care about the bettors? And as far of the true situation, when do you really ever know. This just happens to be a very special race and you hope that BB is alright going into and coming out of the race. I guess that there is an uneasiness surounding the horse because Dutrow is the trainer, but if it was Carl Nafzger or Benny Strutts saying that the horse was ok it wouldn't be a question.

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

The only thing I'll add to this is that with BB's status as it is, it is really a disservice to the bettor. Not that I would bet a 2-5 shot anyway, but would you want to bet him knowing what has gone on over the past week? But there will be people that DO know the true story and they will be able to take advantage, and that is unfair to the "horseplayer". BB's value aside, because I'm sure BB is insured for a zillion dollars at this point, but I wouldn't or couldn't put anything past Dutrow. This is a guy that ran a horse in back to back races at NYRA. Yes it was the last on Sunday and first on Wednesday, but still that's 2 race in like 68 hours. So, most of us will be unaware of the true situation, and there will be millions and millions of dollars bet on the race. Running this horse at less than 100% is what is most likely going to happen. And as someone else has already pointed out, they've got the perfect excuse.

I think Dutrow should show everyone his 180K win ticket on to assure the betting public that ALL systems are go.

You know he actually ran a horse on consecutive days, right? In stakes races, no less?