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hockey2315 05-30-2008 09:49 PM

agree with others that Ghostzapper is the only one who will be a very good sire. . .

Danzig 05-30-2008 09:51 PM

jcs, only about one in 10 horses make it as a sire. odds are not in first samurais favor. and yeah, he's at claiborne, and they'll do their best to make him. but don't forget that monarchos, second fastest derby winner ever, also stood there. he's not there anymore.
as for the giant, he's getting racehorses, but that doesn't necessarily translate into being a sire of sires. it wasn't that long ago that they were asking why storm cat wasn't proving to be a sire of sires.

freddymo 05-30-2008 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Possibly true but non-impressive means a lot

I am totally subjective on Smarty Jones. My heart is hoping he is a great sire. I believe he was a very fast horse and I believe his offspring will be great as well. Will see

The Bid 05-30-2008 09:53 PM

Having a heart in this game isnt a very good idea

freddymo 05-30-2008 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
Having a heart in this game isnt a very good idea

It's ok I am prepared to lose

hi_im_god 05-30-2008 10:25 PM

i just got off the phone with lauren stitch and pedigree ann. so don't take what i say lightly. i have gravitas now.

that's right. check out the big swinging gravitas.

hypnotic, isn't it?

having considered all aspects this is my conclusion:

smarty jones retired to stud in august 2004. ghostzapper in june 2005. afleet alex in december 2005. first sam in july 2006.

i'll take the free square and book the first sam bets.

miraja2 05-30-2008 10:58 PM

Smarty and Ghostzapper both saw some quality mares, so it wouldn't be that shocking if one of them gets a horse into the Kentucky Derby within a couple of years. They could certainly achieve this feat WITHOUT being great - or even very good - sires.
So my question is....and I don't mean it to be rude, I'm actually curious....why exactly would anyone care about trying to answer this particular question?

Danzig 05-31-2008 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
Smarty and Ghostzapper both saw some quality mares, so it wouldn't be that shocking if one of them gets a horse into the Kentucky Derby within a couple of years. They could certainly achieve this feat WITHOUT being great - or even very good - sires.
So my question is....and I don't mean it to be rude, I'm actually curious....why exactly would anyone care about trying to answer this particular question?

very true. our emblem anyone?

ateamstupid 05-31-2008 01:35 AM

My take, in order: Ghostzapper, Alex, First Samurai, Smarty.

Cannon Shell 05-31-2008 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
I am totally subjective on Smarty Jones. My heart is hoping he is a great sire. I believe he was a very fast horse and I believe his offspring will be great as well. Will see

I dont see greatness in his future but who knows.

Bernardini 06-01-2008 03:31 PM

I think EmpireMaker, Vindication, Mineshaft, Medaglia D'oro will strike before then ones you mentioned. imo.

Bernardini 06-01-2008 03:32 PM

and Bernardini ......


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