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Quiet Chris 05-29-2008 08:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
I agree with Dutrow 100% about what he said about Smarty Jones. These horses are not machines. You don't want to squeeze the lemon dry. When you have to run 3 times in 5 weeks, you have to leave something in the tank. I've always though that if Stewart Elliot would have geared Smarty Jones down in the Preakness and cruised home by 5 lengths, he would have probably won the Belmont.

The reason I think that Big Brown will win the Belmont is because he wasn't even close to being all out in the Preakness and the race probably didn't take that much out of him. He should be able to come back in 3 weeks and win.
This is nonsense. SJ would have problems getting 12f no matter what. He simply was not a 12f horse. He had too many problems settling whenever he ran.

Throw in Prado riding Birdstone and you had the recipe for an upset. Just like when Prado beat War Emblem with Sarava. I am beginning to see a pattern here. We will see if Spark Candle can rattle Kent. Wouldn't be the first time. What will that make 3x Prado took down a potential triple crown. No coincidence there.

hockey2315 05-29-2008 08:57 PM
Prado wasn't the reason for Birdstone's upset.

blackthroatedwind 05-29-2008 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
This is nonsense. SJ would have problems getting 12f no matter what. He simply was not a 12f horse. He had too many problems settling whenever he ran.

Throw in Prado riding Birdstone and you had the recipe for an upset. Just like when Prado beat War Emblem with Sarava. I am beginning to see a pattern here. We will see if Spark Candle can rattle Kent. Wouldn't be the first time. What will that make 3x Prado took down a potential triple crown. No coincidence there.

Wasn't War Emblem somewhere in the vicinity of last?

Horses win races.....jockeys lose them.

CSC 05-29-2008 08:58 PM
This thread made we laugh, cry and scratch my head...The Triple Crown...

hi_im_god 05-29-2008 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
This is nonsense. SJ would have problems getting 12f no matter what. He simply was not a 12f horse. He had too many problems settling whenever he ran.

Throw in Prado riding Birdstone and you had the recipe for an upset. Just like when Prado beat War Emblem with Sarava. I am beginning to see a pattern here. We will see if Spark Candle can rattle Kent. Wouldn't be the first time. What will that make 3x Prado took down a potential triple crown. No coincidence there.
i was going to defend smarty by pointing out he finished 2nd by a length but then i finished reading the post and my head exploded.

i really didn't want to defend him anyway.

jcs11204 05-29-2008 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Is he kidding me with this statement. This is a guy who has ganged up on top horses himself.

Dutrow was also asked if he was concerned that other riders in the Belmont would “gang up” on Big Brown. He was reminded that some people accused riders of doing that to Smarty Jones when he was defeated by Birdstone in the 2004 Belmont Stakes.

“I don’t believe anyone would do something like that,” he said. “If they did, they might get assassinated after the race. I can’t imagine they would do that."
he is turning into a joke..... too much white stuff, and way too much partying.

hockey2315 05-29-2008 09:18 PM
Like you? ;)

jcs11204 05-29-2008 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Like you? ;)
i dont party, but really his comments on curlin and casino drive are insane.... way to arrogant, way to cocky...

pgardn 05-29-2008 09:25 PM
Did Bailey ride bad in the Belmont by
whipping Eddington to death so early?
I guess the horse needed a little waking up.

Bailey absolutley used that horse.
He was fried and had no chance.

CSC 05-29-2008 09:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4Z49x11smk

Here is the replay.

Remember Bailey on Eddington...that subtle pressure just took enough out of him in the stretch for Birdstone to run on by.

This is just my opinion but had Bailey ridden SJ that day and not Stu Elliot. I don't think he would have panicked and Smarty Jones would be a TC winner today. He didn't need to inject him into the race so early, when he probably should have been sitting 3rd behind the speed.

fpsoxfan 05-29-2008 09:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Is he kidding me with this statement. This is a guy who has ganged up on top horses himself.

Dutrow was also asked if he was concerned that other riders in the Belmont would “gang up” on Big Brown. He was reminded that some people accused riders of doing that to Smarty Jones when he was defeated by Birdstone in the 2004 Belmont Stakes.

“I don’t believe anyone would do something like that,” he said. “If they did, they might get assassinated after the race. I can’t imagine they would do that."
Wow. Welcome aboard Quiet Chris. By the way, congratulations for reaching douchebag status in record time. Keep up the good work.

pgardn 05-29-2008 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CSC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4Z49x11smk

Here is the replay.

Remember Bailey on Eddington...that subtle pressure just took enough out of him in the stretch for Birdstone to run on by.

This is just my opinion but had Bailey ridden SJ that day and not Stu Elliot. I don't think he would have panicked and Smarty Jones would be a TC winner today. He didn't need to inject him into the race so early, when he probably should have been sitting 3rd behind the speed.
And then he whips the horse when he is fried.
I guess he was worried about the superfecta.

jcs11204 05-29-2008 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm curious, because you haven't really mentioned it. What are your feelings about big Brown and Dutrow?
my feelings are dutrow is a scumbag, does drugs, and picks up hookers... i know that to be a 100% fact....
as for big brown, casino drive....ROYAL PEDIGREE.... and i belive he beats him next sat. and i will be making a large win bet on casino

blackthroatedwind 05-29-2008 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jcs11204
my feelings are dutrow is a scumbag, does drugs, and picks up hookers... i know that to be a 100% fact....
as for big brown, casino drive....ROYAL PEDIGREE.... and i belive he beats him next sat. and i will be making a large win bet on casino
Please shut up.

jcs11204 05-29-2008 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Well, you've pretty much guaranteed a triple crown now. I'd try and talk you out of the big win bet on Casino, but we both know it won't work, so good luck man.
no, go for it.... i will listen, i can back off... i guess single on back end of a pick 4 is safer, could actually win more, and lose less

jcs11204 05-29-2008 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Please shut up.
why ? you might not like what i said, but its true... actually, him and his pal frankel

hockey2315 05-29-2008 09:44 PM
I recommend following in Dutrow's footsteps - that Casino Drive win money would be better spent on a hooker. . .

blackthroatedwind 05-29-2008 09:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcs11204
no, go for it.... i will listen, i can back off... i guess single on back end of a pick 4 is safer, could actually win more, and lose less

I can hardly wait for your Belmont Day picks. Please try to get them up early.


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