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oracle80 06-02-2006 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Hmmm... a "Z" is coming to mind here. ;)
LOL Cajun. I can plot with the best of em.

oracle80 06-02-2006 01:04 PM
Now hes had three races in a very short time span. He will get a month off and we will look for a claiming race someplace out of town. 35,000 is the bottom in NY and they dont write conditioned non 3L races here. NON2l at 35 is much easier than open 35 so makes no sense to run him in Ny at open 35. Monmouth(Meadowlands is where they are having their turf races) or Delaware has great purses and we can maybe find a non3 life conditioned claimer or run for open 25 or 17,500. Gotta run them where they can win, not where you want them to win.

PSH 06-02-2006 01:10 PM
Oracle 80 - Congrats
 
Oracle

Congrats on the 1st at Belmont...
Nothing truer has been said, run them where they can win.... That is what it is all about. Luckily, many owners and trainers don't abide by that simple rule.


Anything else you have opinion on at the Big Sandy today...

PSH

Exceller 06-02-2006 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Now hes had three races in a very short time span. He will get a month off and we will look for a claiming race someplace out of town. 35,000 is the bottom in NY and they dont write conditioned non 3L races here. NON2l at 35 is much easier than open 35 so makes no sense to run him in Ny at open 35. Monmouth(Meadowlands is where they are having their turf races) or Delaware has great purses and we can maybe find a non3 life conditioned claimer or run for open 25 or 17,500. Gotta run them where they can win, not where you want them to win.
What cut of the purse do you get or do you get a flat consulting fee? WP charges $1500 (only $150 for 10%) a quarter but it is a management fee.

Gauchos0522 06-02-2006 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Now hes had three races in a very short time span. He will get a month off and we will look for a claiming race someplace out of town. 35,000 is the bottom in NY and they dont write conditioned non 3L races here. NON2l at 35 is much easier than open 35 so makes no sense to run him in Ny at open 35. Monmouth(Meadowlands is where they are having their turf races) or Delaware has great purses and we can maybe find a non3 life conditioned claimer or run for open 25 or 17,500. Gotta run them where they can win, not where you want them to win.
Would love to see him run at Delaware as I live about 20 mins from there. The turf purses there are generous as you said since they put the slots in.

oracle80 06-02-2006 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Exceller
What cut of the purse do you get or do you get a flat consulting fee? WP charges $1500 (only $150 for 10%) a quarter but it is a management fee.
Well lets see, when its for your greatest friend, you get to attend lavish functions, attend major races like the Derby in a private suite, go out to countless dinners, get to become a wine connossieur on someone elses sponsorship, etc.
Hes a friend. He also backs me on my pik-6 attempts(which has worked out QUITE WELL). Carlos is a friend as well. hes like the crazy brother I never had. Been friends with Carlos a while, but helping him manage for about a year. He helps me in turn with providing clients for agenting work. Thats this game, everyone helps out those who help them.

Exceller 06-02-2006 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Well lets see, when its for your greatest friend, you get to attend lavish functions, attend major races like the Derby in a private suite, go out to countless dinners, get to become a wine connossieur on someone elses sponsorship, etc.
Hes a friend. He also backs me on my pik-6 attempts(which has worked out QUITE WELL). Carlos is a friend as well. hes like the crazy brother I never had. Been friends with Carlos a while, but helping him manage for about a year. He helps me in turn with providing clients for agenting work. Thats this game, everyone helps out those who help them.
Thats good. Connections often lead to money. As long as you don't have to be at the barn at 5am, it sounds like a good gig.

stevepopyak 06-02-2006 03:57 PM
oracle, thanks for the Western Revenge info ... was able to sneak over to the OTB at lunch and nail him across the board, didn't hammer him like i wanted to though, got there too late ... thanks again

oracle80 06-02-2006 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by stevepopyak
oracle, thanks for the Western Revenge info ... was able to sneak over to the OTB at lunch and nail him across the board, didn't hammer him like i wanted to though, got there too late ... thanks again
Ah I know, you can never have too much money on a winning horse can you?

stevepopyak 06-02-2006 04:06 PM
Amen, brother !!!


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