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freddymo 05-07-2008 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Personally, I feel the Japan cup is nothing, but winning the Arc makes this horse a legend.

What does winning the Japan Cup do for him?
You don't even know when the fricken race is so how do you know it makes a horse a legend.. What's legendary is your opinion! Do you even know where it is run or any of the past Legendary Champions?

Scav 05-07-2008 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by freddymo
You don't even know when the fricken race is so how do you know it makes a horse a legend.. What's legendary is your opinion! Do you even know where it is run or any of the past Legendary Champions?
Hey numnuts, I know that the Arc is a very big race, god forbid I didn't know when the race was exactly placed.

And you don't think an american horse that has won the BC Classic, and then goes and wins the Arc wouldn't be considered legendary?

Better Than Honour 05-07-2008 09:37 AM
This horse would have a shot in any race, anywhere, at any time. A win in the Arc would stamp him as possibly the greatest horse of all-time when it comes to achievements. That is if he wins the BC Classic again.

He starting fee as a stallion would probably be $250,000 if he won that race. Not just because that would make him a great dirt and turf horse but because he is so sound.

10 pnt move up 05-07-2008 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I highly doubt he will go to the Arc, though it would be cool, but if he does I am guessing he won't try the turf beforehand.
lol.....I know why.

10 pnt move up 05-07-2008 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by freddymo
You don't even know when the fricken race is so how do you know it makes a horse a legend.. What's legendary is your opinion! Do you even know where it is run or any of the past Legendary Champions?
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ddthetide 05-07-2008 10:22 AM
who cares if curlin wins a race in europe or japan? looks more like an excuse not to run the horse anymore then they have too. jmo.:o

hockey2315 05-07-2008 10:28 AM
Because the Arc is one of the most prestigious races in the world. . . I like the fact that they're considering actually having a little fun with this horse rather than playing it safe and keeping him on dirt against overmatched opponents. I couldn't care less if he wins the Stephen Foster or the JCGC or maybe even the BC Classic with what his competition would most likely be. But for him to run in the Arc would bring some excitement to a sport that needs it right now.

tiggerv 05-07-2008 10:44 AM
Anything to keep Curlin running is fine with me.

SundayStar 05-07-2008 10:58 AM
if they're seriously considering the arc or japan cup, then he must really be strongly against running him on the fake stuff. the reason they're looking at the arc or japan cup is the $$$$$. those two races have the biggest purses this fall outside of the bc classic and they have stated clearly that they want the all time earnings record.

Coach Pants 05-07-2008 11:02 AM
Hmmph.

Am I the only one who thinks they're saying all of this to put pressure on the BC and Santa Anita to install a dirt surface?

MaTH716 05-07-2008 11:05 AM
What do you think would happen if Santa Anita announced tomorrow that they were going back to a dirt track? Does the plan change, or do they continue to prepare for a race overseas?
Coach you beat me to it!

VOL JACK 05-07-2008 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by SundayStar
if they're seriously considering the arc or japan cup, then he must really be strongly against running him on the fake stuff. the reason they're looking at the arc or japan cup is the $$$$$. those two races have the biggest purses this fall outside of the bc classic and they have stated clearly that they want the all time earnings record.
It's not the money that he would win from the purse. Its what J Jackson would be able to set the stud fee at, would be the motive.

jpops757 05-07-2008 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Winning the Arlington Million does nothing for him. Winning the Arc would make him a virtual immortal. The reason they are discussing races like the Arc and Japan Cup is because of timing, as they have indicated a reluctance to running him in the BC on synthetic surfaces, and thus the overseas races would, in all likelihood, be his final appearances. It logically follows that he will run in US dirt races, which would ( at least slightly ) enhance his value and likely pad his earnings, before taking a shot at something more substantial.

I understand the logic in suggesting that should he try the Million, and bomb, they would know not to waste their time in Paris, but by running in logical, and prestigious, spots here, and likely winning, and then making a final parting, and sporting, gesture, like the Arc becomes a no lose situation for them....with unprecidented upside. If he runs in the Arc he would be passing on the Jockey Club Gold Cup only. I will miss seeing him....but as they say....." Been there, done that. "
Imo they want go to the Arc as a jester but to win it. Thus a prep on the grass would make sense, To agree with you risking a loss over here against lesser foes would be a negative. I can see the logic either way.

ateamstupid 05-07-2008 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Because the Arc is one of the most prestigious races in the world. . . I like the fact that they're considering actually having a little fun with this horse rather than playing it safe and keeping him on dirt against overmatched opponents.
I agree. He's bred to love the turf as well, so why not?

ateamstupid 05-07-2008 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SundayStar
if they're seriously considering the arc or japan cup, then he must really be strongly against running him on the fake stuff. the reason they're looking at the arc or japan cup is the $$$$$. those two races have the biggest purses this fall outside of the bc classic and they have stated clearly that they want the all time earnings record.
He's gonna get the earnings record regardless of where he goes in the fall..

ateamstupid 05-07-2008 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ddthetide
who cares if curlin wins a race in europe or japan? looks more like an excuse not to run the horse anymore then they have too. jmo.:o
So you'd rather see him beat up on Better Than Bonds and Magna Graduate and Wanderin Boy all year than see him go try the best turf horses in the world in one of the most prestigious races on earth for a shot at immortality?

SundayStar 05-07-2008 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
He's gonna get the earnings record regardless of where he goes in the fall..

not necessarily. he still has to win. and they don't just want to break the record. they want to win as much as possible; which of course means entering races with the richest purses.

Cannon Shell 05-07-2008 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
It wouldn't be awesome though wouldn't it.....The ARC, I would probably find a way to get there if he did that.
Paris would never be the same

ateamstupid 05-07-2008 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SundayStar
not necessarily. he still has to win. and they don't just want to break the record. they want to win as much as possible; which of course means entering races with the richest purses.
No one's gonna show up in the Stephen Foster, that's $450,000 right there, giving him $9.25 million. Whitney pays $450,000 for first, Woodward pays $300,000, Gold Cup pays $600,000. You don't think he has it sewn up barring injury?

Cannon Shell 05-07-2008 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Personally, I feel the Japan cup is nothing, but winning the Arc makes this horse a legend.

What does winning the Japan Cup do for him?
Makes him very attractive to Japanese breeders which is where there is a strong possibility where he will land at stud


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