ShadowRoll, you have the EXACT same eight horses I'm going to be using, albeit in different order. Bad news for us, eh?

Subject to change:
Tale of Ekati
Colonel John
Z Humor
Gayego

I toss off my normal handicapping goggles when it comes to a twenty horse Kentucky Derby, as I'm sure many of us do.

I haven't made final selections or combos yet, but I am focusing on the fact that both Zito and Mott each have two horses coming from the inside to mid-pack out of the gate.

ateam, if history holds, there'll be like $80 million gambled on this race. I think that's enough for you and me. Too bad for the rest of these folks, though.

I don't think I've ever been so unsure leading up to a Derby, but this is who I like approx. 36 hours out.

Big Brown- Not one to bet favorites, but right now I'm not sure anyone can
beat this one

Denis of Cork- Not sure if he can handle the distance, but he's working great

Monba- Forgive the FOY, this one is could run a big one.

Pyro- This one could end up being my top choice by tomorrow

Court Vision- Only recently has entered my radar screen.

******This is all subject to change because I'm a mess as to how I'm going
to bet this race.

in no order eight belles, pyro, smooth air and either visionaire or z futune. ex & tri boxed. if it rains i'll probably change it all.:o

still tossing things around and will try to come up with some plays today.
my focus has been on finding keys for exotics. the following are horse i'm considering for all placings;

Gayego
Eight Belles
Monba
Recapturetheglory
ZFortune

1.Big Brown
2.Pyro
3.Court Vision
4.Col. John

F-ing Calder is trying to black out all simulcast betting down here in So. FL meaning if you don't go to Calder, you can't bet... See if I EVER attend a race at Calder again if that happens. That is absolutely ridiculous!!!

IF we can bet..

My top four are:

1. Bob Black Jack
2. Visionaire
3. Cool Coal Man
4. Smooth Air (yes, even though I am mad at Calder, I do like this horse.)


Hubby is more fave orientied with a couple of long shots:

1. Colonel John
2. Pyro
3. Big Truck(who I do like. I think his last race was a throw out as his TB Derby was a big race for him. He is rested now and ready to go)
4. Court Vision

1. Colonel John
2. Court Vision
3. Pyro
4. Z Fortune

I've been on the Colonel John side for a while, mostly on pedigree grounds. I can't get my mind around a Derby winner by Gilded Times or Boundary or Grand Slam or some of these other stallions, especially when the damside support is skimpy. I feel safe with Colonel John (Tiznow over Turkoman, third dam placed in the CCA Oaks).

1. Pyro
2. Z Fortune
3. Big Brown
4. Colonel John
5. Bob Black Jack

Saver: Big Truck

1. pyro 2. z fortune 3 colonel john 4 gayego

1) DoC
2) BB
3) CJ
4) CV

1 Tale of Ekati
2 Cool Coal Man
3 Big Brown
4 Pyro/Colonel John

20. Denis of Cork


I could be wrong on my top picks, but that plug Denis of Cork will not crack the top 10. I'm amazed at how many people on here are picking this horse and NOT picking Big Brown. He had one more race and he's only posted one decent Beyer off of a god damn dream trip. Not to mention his trainer is nothing more than a glorified groom.

Good luck wasting your money on him.

1) Monba
2) Pyro
3) Court Vision

Looks like we're almost on the same page, hopefully we both get paid tomorrow. But I'm warning you now, I've never cashed a bet on the derby. So I almsot got a curse-factor as big as Hammerin Hank

Yeah, I know what you're saying. Despite Dahoss's effort to steer me away from him, I was the same guy who was touting Circular Quay last year. I wished I had listened to him and .

Bad news for all three of us then... I'm using the EXACT same 8 as well.

Big Brown
Z Fortune
Smooth Air
Colonel John
Eight Belles
Cool Coal Man

are my top 6, and protecting with Pyro and Denis of Cork.

You may be right about Cork. Like I said, by tomorrow I may not like him.
I really do think he flattens a bit after a mile, but he's working so well.