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Indian Charlie 06-12-2008 04:38 PM
For another filly to win it, they'd have to win the distaff and at least two to three more grade ones, without taking much in the way of missteps.

Sentiment will likely win 8B the award.

Indian Charlie 06-12-2008 04:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
What about Proud Spell. What has she done wrong, minus the effort on the Keeneland crap?
She lost to Indian Blessing, though that was her layoff race.

I think there are some lesser known fillies out there that will make it difficult for Proud Spell to win the Eclipse.

The Indomitable DrugS 06-12-2008 05:16 PM
And the fine undefeated Straight Man filly that Frankel bought up.

The Indomitable DrugS 06-12-2008 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
What about Proud Spell. What has she done wrong, minus the effort on the Keeneland crap?
She is obviously in the mix as well.

ninetoone 06-12-2008 05:23 PM
Drugs, do you like Lethal Heat at all? I didn't catch her beyer at Hollywood last weekend, but it seemed like a nice effort & her only loss was a stumbled start.

The Indomitable DrugS 06-12-2008 05:32 PM
I think she's solid but not spectacular.

Being by Unusual Heat - I doubt she will move up any on natural dirt either.

Danzig 06-12-2008 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Gander
I thought the punchline here would be something about a drug test. Fabulous Strike? Nice. Forgot about him.

Man the sprinting division sucks right now if Benny the Bull is this dominant a horse.
yeah, me too.

jcs11204 06-12-2008 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Going undefeated through the season until a 2nd place finish in the Derby might be enough to carry her to a title.

You have to remember - even though the division appears loaded with up and coming types - that only means it will be harder for a single one to seperate themselves and dominate in the 2nd half of the season. Perhaps a Zaftig can - but we will see.

Perhaps the deepest older male division I ever remember was the year Favorite Trick won the horse of the year title - he did so because he cleaned out a laughable 2yo division while the older males took turns beating each other with 120+ Beyers to the winner almost left and right.
zafig has been super, but i would not even think of her right now, or just not yet... proud spell and maybe that darley filly if she continues to improve... EB does have the fact that the division is loaded, and they might all beat each other up, then they would have to step up and beat zenyatta. so maybe eight bells has done enough

jcs11204 06-12-2008 06:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
She lost to Indian Blessing, though that was her layoff race.

I think there are some lesser known fillies out there that will make it difficult for Proud Spell to win the Eclipse.
what is wrong with losing to a champion ?

Danzig 06-12-2008 06:04 PM
i don't think eight belles has it sewn up, and wouldn't be surprised in the least if another filly got the nod. she only ran four months, not her fault obviously.
but several other talented fillies out there, and plenty of racing season left. now, if the rest of the division falls apart, maybe eight belles could get it.

The Indomitable DrugS 06-12-2008 07:20 PM
If they take turns beating each other the rest of the year EB will take it.

When you have a bunch of very good horses in a division - very rarely does one seperate themselves unless their connections pick their spots very carefully.

Indian Charlie 06-12-2008 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You're not talking about the Indian Charlie fillies are you?
When am I not?

However, there are a couple of others that have been impressive lately.

jcs11204 06-12-2008 07:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
If they take turns beating each other the rest of the year EB will take it.

When you have a bunch of very good horses in a division - very rarely does one seperate themselves unless their connections pick their spots very carefully.
thats what im saying.

zippyneedsawin 06-13-2008 06:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Going undefeated through the season until a 2nd place finish in the Derby might be enough to carry her to a title.

You have to remember - even though the division appears loaded with up and coming types - that only means it will be harder for a single one to seperate themselves and dominate in the 2nd half of the season. Perhaps a Zaftig can - but we will see.

Perhaps the deepest older male division I ever remember was the year Favorite Trick won the horse of the year title - he did so because he cleaned out a laughable 2yo division while the older males took turns beating each other with 120+ Beyers to the winner almost left and right.
No disrespect meant, but I don't see 8 belles winning her division. There are several Grade 1's to be won out there between now and the end of the year.. sadly, she can't win them. If a filly like Proud Spell can win just one.. maybe two more.. it's hers.

Gauchos0522 06-17-2008 10:45 AM
7th (3:27)
Vincent A. Moscarelli Memorial S.

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $75,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 Joey Carson Caraballo J C 117 LA
2 Southern Missile Pino M G 121 LA
3 Hombresactlikemens Castellano A Jr 121 L
4 The Vin Man Morales P 117 LA
5 Fabulous Strike Dominguez R A 117 LA
6 Five Steps Acosta J D 117 LA
7 Cavallo Pazzo Dominguez R A 121 L

VOL JACK 06-17-2008 01:32 PM
Delaware Park 6-21
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gauchos0522
7th (3:27)
Vincent A. Moscarelli Memorial S.

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $75,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 Joey Carson Caraballo J C 117 LA
2 Southern Missile Pino M G 121 LA
3 Hombresactlikemens Castellano A Jr 121 L
4 The Vin Man Morales P 117 LA
5 Fabulous Strike Dominguez R A 117 LA
6 Five Steps Acosta J D 117 LA
7 Cavallo Pazzo Dominguez R A 121 L

The race is at delaware park fo anyone interested.

I really like The Vin Man if he can somehow repeat that 80 beyer from two back.

ateamstupid 06-17-2008 01:40 PM
On Saturday.

ELA 06-17-2008 04:07 PM
I'm looking forward to his return. Let's hope he's healthy, fit, sound, etc.

The bottom line right now is that Benny The Bull is doing it, and Fabulous Strike has yet to, although he's getting ready to, hopefully. Like I said, if he's healthy, fit, sound, etc. -- great.

Same applies to Midnight Lute -- let's see him do it. I will say one thing -- last year, boy, when he did it, he sure did it well.

Eric


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