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XIIPointStables 04-06-2008 08:17 AM

I poked around Bloodhorse, but still looking for an updated list.

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-06-2008 09:18 AM

Steve, the list isn't showing bold or italics

Kasept 04-06-2008 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Steve, the list isn't showing bold or italics

Top 20 self explainatory for now and I took out the unintendeds...

Scav 04-06-2008 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Top 20 self explainatory for now and I took out the unintendeds...

thanks for doing this Steve, been looking all morning for an updated list. I get the feeling that War Pass is going, at least I hope he is for selfish gambling reasons :)

hi_im_god 04-06-2008 10:33 AM

larry stewart in the l.a. times is reporting that bob black jack won't go.

Kasept 04-06-2008 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
larry stewart in the l.a. times is reporting that bob black jack won't go.

chromer,

Thx for spotting this and bringing it forward... And good for the Kasparoff Brothers and Co. for being prudent. The best stories in this crop are the inexpensive horses from 'everyday' connections doing well like this horse and Smooth Air. Was telling Haskin yesterday that Bob Black Jack reminded me of the King of the Roxy/Stormello type 3yo, and can be super productive if they treat him right.

IrishofNDMan 04-06-2008 12:58 PM

What kind of finish in the Arkansas would lock up a spot in the Derby gate for Blackberry Road?

SniperSB23 04-06-2008 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
What kind of finish in the Arkansas would lock up a spot in the Derby gate for Blackberry Road?

3rd for sure and even likely with a 4th place finish.

Dunbar 04-06-2008 07:46 PM

Thanks very much for creating and posting the list, Steve.

Looks like you have 19 & 20 reversed.

--Dunbar

XIIPointStables 04-07-2008 06:12 AM

Will Pletcher (assuming Monba does not get the earnings needed this weekend) bring back Atoned or TW in the Lexington and try to at least get one in the starting gate?

Payson Dave 04-07-2008 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by XIIPointStables
Will Pletcher (assuming Monba does not get the earnings needed this weekend) bring back Atoned or TW in the Lexington and try to at least get one in the starting gate?

From the Keeneland Barn Notes...

“Monba went well this morning, and he’s a possibility for the Blue Grass or the (Grade 2 Coolmore) Lexington (on April 19),” Pletcher said about the son of Monarchos who races for Starlight, Lucarelli and Saylor. Monba won his career debut at Keeneland last October, then won a one-mile allowance at Churchill Downs. “Probably have to make a decision on Wednesday,” Pletcher added.

Stopping by the Pletcher barn Sunday morning was Cot Campbell, head of Dogwood Stable, whose Atoned finished fourth in Saturday’s Illinois Derby (G2) at Hawthorne Race Course. Atoned turned in the best finish of four Pletcher horses that competed in major Kentucky Derby preps across the country.



“It was a funny race yesterday because they finished like they started,” Campbell said of the Illinois Derby. “They just kind of got in single file and went around there.



“I don’t think he liked the surface and there wasn’t a lot of speed in ahead of him. I don’t know whether we may run him in the (Coolmore) Lexington, which is possible, or wait and try the Preakness (G1) or skip that and wait for the Peter Pan (G2). Those would seem to be the options.”



One option not mentioned was the Kentucky Derby and Campbell seemed to raise the white flag on that possibility.



“I don’t think he would get in with $125,000 (in graded stakes earnings),” Campbell said. “We wouldn’t throw anything out today, but maybe after he has been back here two or three days, we will see how he is and figure out something. But I would think $125,000 wouldn’t cut it (for being in the top 20 in graded stakes earnings).”

Kasept 04-07-2008 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables
Will Pletcher (assuming Monba does not get the earnings needed this weekend) bring back Atoned or TW in the Lexington and try to at least get one in the starting gate?

12,

I think Atoned might sneak in after a defection or three and injury or two.. Monba is NOT certain for Bluegrass... Doubt McNair shoves Texas Wildcatter into anything. Not his style.

And since you brought up Stonerside, here's a picture of a REAL racehorse winning the Wood Memorial... ;)


Congaree
2001 Wood Memorial
(108 Beyer/1:47.4)

Kasept 04-07-2008 08:45 AM

BTW, graded earnings list fully updated with notations...

SniperSB23 04-07-2008 08:50 AM

You might want to include Eight Belles. Connections are going to monitor the Derby contenders to decide whether or not to run for the roses.

Kasept 04-07-2008 08:52 AM

Fully updated and accurate..

*** = Derby starter assuming 'uncertains' DO NOT run...

Red = Derby next start...

Earning avails..

Bluegrass:
1. $450k (X)
2. $150k (X)
3. $75k (X) with existing earnings >$50k
4. $37.5k

Arkansas:
1. $600k (X)
2. $200k (X)
3. $100k (X) with existing earnings >$30k
4. $50k

Holy Bull:
1. $90k (X) if with existing earnings >$30k
2. $45k

Lexington:
1. $195k (X)
2. $65k (X) if with existing earning >$65k
3. $32.5k



Graded Stakes Earnings List (04/07/08)

1 War Pass Nick Zito $1,470,000
2 Pyro Steve Asmussen $1,020,000 (BG)
3 Proud Spell Larry Jones $880,000
4 Tale of Ekati Barclay Tagg $738,000
5 Colonel John Eoin Harty $720,000

6 Big Brown Richard Dutrow $600,000
7 Z Humor Bill Mott $579,000
8 Court Vision Bill Mott $331,872
9 Adriano Graham Motion $310,000
10 Recapturetheglory $300,000

11 Smooth Air Benny Stutts $290,000
12 Salute the Sarge Eric Guillot $258,940
13 Cool Coal Man Nick Zito $212,767 (BG)
14 Anak Nakal Nick Zito $212,216
15 Massive Drama Dale Romans $205,200

16 Big Truck Barclay Tagg $194,500
17 Bob Black Jack James Kasparoff $180,000
18 Visionaire Michael Matz $180,000 (BG)
19 Denis of Cork David Carroll $165,000
20 Halo Najib Dale Romans $157,996 (BG)

21 Tomcito Dante Zanelli $151,292 *** (LEX)
22 El Gato Malo Craig Dollase $145,000
23 Atoned Todd Pletcher $130,000
24 Z Fortune Steve Asmussen $129,000 *** (AK)
25 Blackberry Road David Carroll $123,417 *** (AK) 4th, even 5th, OK..

26 My Pal Charlie Al Stall Jr. $120,000 *** (AK) 4th, even 5th, OK..

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27 Golden Spikes Marty Wolfson $118,000
28 Golden Yank Gary Thomas 115,000 (AK) Needs 4th or >..
29 Yankee Bravo Patrick Gallagher $105,000
30 Indian Sun Dan Hendricks $104,000 (AK) Needs 4th or >..

31 Racecar Rhapsody Ken McPeek $90,871
32 Shediak (FR) Richard Mandella $78,576 (AK) Needs 3rd or >..
33 Elysium Fields Barclay Tagg $70,000 (BG/AK/HB) TBD..
34 King's Silver Son Steve Asmussen $60,000 (AK) Needs 3rd or >..
35 Cowboy Cal Todd Pletcher $57,660 (BG) Needs 3rd or > at the least..

36 Texas Wildcatter Todd Pletcher $53,750
37 Monba Todd Pletcher $50,000 (BG) Needs 3rd, ideally 2nd..
38 Medjool David Hoffman $50,000 (BG) Needs 3rd, ideally 2nd..
39 Hey Byrn Eddie Plesa $50,000 (HB?) Needs to win Holy Bull if he goes..
40 Gayego Paulo Lobo $40,000 (AK) Needs 2nd or >..

41 Giant Moon Richard Schosberg $38,750
42 Isabull Steve Hobby $30,000 (AK) Needs 2nd or >..
43 Cannonball Wesley Ward $18,800
44 Liberty Bull Tom Amoss $18,750 (AK) Needs 2nd or >..
45 Stevil Nick Zito $12,000

Kasept 04-07-2008 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
You might want to include Eight Belles. Connections are going to monitor the Derby contenders to decide whether or not to run for the roses.

Scott,

Either way, a Jones-trained filly is in a top spot on the list.. Would be very surprised by Eight Belles though. It's Proud Spell who is the appropriate Derby filly. Will have Larry Jones on ATR today or tomorrow to clarify, but I bet he won't commit to anything until Derby-Oaks Week.

SniperSB23 04-07-2008 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Scott,

Either way, a Jones-trained filly is in a top spot on the list.. Would be very surprised by Eight Belles though. It's Proud Spell who is the appropriate Derby filly. Will have Larry Jones on ATR today or tomorrow to clarify, but I bet he won't commit to anything until Derby-Oaks Week.

Yeah, sounds like they won't commit until then:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...y_hopeful.html

Trained by Larry Jones and owned by Wilmington's Rick Porter, Eight Belles is nominated for both the May 3 Kentucky Derby and the Kentucky Oaks, the big race of the year for 3-year-old fillies that is run the day before the Derby at Churchill Downs. She has $210,000 in graded-stakes earnings, enough to make the Derby field.

Porter said last night that the filly's handlers would keep the Derby open as a possibility. A final decision does not have to be made until Derby week.

"I'd like to find a way to run in the Derby," said Porter, the owner of last year's Derby runner-up, Hard Spun.

Kasept 04-07-2008 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
"I'd like to find a way to run in the Derby," said Rick Porter, the owner of last year's Derby runner-up, Hard Spun.[/i]




:rolleyes:

philcski 04-07-2008 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Scott,

Either way, a Jones-trained filly is in a top spot on the list.. Would be very surprised by Eight Belles though. It's Proud Spell who is the appropriate Derby filly. Will have Larry Jones on ATR today or tomorrow to clarify, but I bet he won't commit to anything until Derby-Oaks Week.

Was going to post the same thing... but you guys beat me to it. It's the [bigheaded] owner calling the shots on this one. I like both of them quite a bit for the Oaks, however.

Love that picture of Congaree.

SniperSB23 04-07-2008 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Was going to post the same thing... but you guys beat me to it. It's the [bigheaded] owner calling the shots on this one. I like both of them quite a bit for the Oaks, however.

Love that picture of Congaree.

For once I can't say I completely disagree with him. If they were males and you looked at their past performances would they really be any worse than 4th or 5th choice?


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