fupeg.... where does he rate compared to others ?

afleet alex
smarty jones

i feel those 2 were overrated and fupeg was way underrated

Yeah. To this day they're the "best tits I've ever bought"

:confused:

He rates below both of them because he did jack and s.hit after the Derby...in most part because he was bats.hit insane.

I'm no Smarty fan but FuPeg couldn't hold his jockstrap in a suitcase. Don't give me that sticky track in the Preakness crap. That was his chance to get positioned to do something great and he ran horribly. A late season win in the Jerome did nothing to atone for that effort.

Overrated = FuPeg.

NT

Remember Red Bullet skipped the Derby for the Preakness, awfully smart move, paid off huge.

Oh yea, FuPeg is extremely over-rated as both a horse AND now a sire.

Seriously, Big Brown has exactly 2 wins under his belt. The same number of quarter cracks he has had in his career. I'll pass on him in the Derby. If he makes it into the starting gate he will be way overbet anyway.

:D

AP Valentine
 

speaking of overrated

Remember AP Valentine

so much for perfect confirmation

which Fusaichi Pegasus was said to have

Im not defending FP.. but how was that Jerome terrible?

Fusaichi Pegasus, El Corredor, Albert The Great, Hook And Ladder...

A field like that would be considered remarkably deep nowadays...

How do you, or anyone else know how good Big Brown is? Kent may be off his rocker (quite possible), but he also could end up being right.

All that gold, they could at least have someone use a grass trimmer around
the outsides of that thing.

Yeah, I fixed that for myself, it was a strong race.

NT

Did Mom appear in the Beulah thread??

Planet Japan

Kent was Formal Gold's regular rider back when he strung together a trio of Beyer figs of 125 or more.

Fu Peg or Real Quiet couldn't warm up Formal Gold when he was on his game.

Fu Peg as a sire is almost a instant maiden throw out in their first 2 starts. Real head cases. I dont like them.

Big Brown; Why the hype?
 

I happened to catch the race in real time on HRTV and the part that doesn't make sense was Jeff Siegel's reaction. Not thirty seconds past the wire, he's calling him "The best colt in the country."

Here's a guy that's been connected to a couple of really good ones making that kind of statement.

On April 18 last year, Godolphin rolled out a 4-year named Rondo who drilled an allowance field at Gulfstream in a similar fashion after winning by nine in his previous start eight months prior at Saratoga.

Rondo was beaten in an optional claimer at Belmont at 1-5 odds the following month and for all intents, was never heard from again.

Maybe there's memo out at HRTV that's calling for some hype to help viewership for the big race at Gulfstream.

DMM

Interesting point. I am not going to argue about Kent's comments, or about Siegel's opinion for that matter. However, just as a point of reference, Jeff Siegel wasn't just "connected" to some really good horses. His role was much more than that. Although most people here may know about Siegel, being a co-founder/partner in Team Valor (and their predecessor operation), most people here don't know the details and specifics, his role, etc.

There is a huge difference between handicapping (picking out a good horse to bet on) and identifying talent (picking out a good horse to buy, own, etc.).

Eric

Despite their prominence amongst racing syndicates, has Team Valor really been all that productive?

Outside of Prized (who was one of the early Clover Racing Stable horses) and Star of Cozzene (another Clover Racing horse) I can't really think of any horses that they campaigned successfully that weren't already well established at the time of purchase.

Team Valor
 

as recently as last year or was it the year before they took come South African filly to Dubai and won a big race.

How much success do you expect from them?

I was basically replying to the statement about Jeff Siegel's eye for horses (as apparently he thinks the world of Big Brown). Outside of the 2 I mentioned, who I think still had allowance conditions at the time, I can't think of any particularly astute purchases they made recently.

They bought into Ipi Tombe after she had already won various accolades in South Africa. I don't think you needed to have been particularly adept at judging racing talent to be able to identify Ipi Tombe as the best horse in South Africa at the time, given her illustrious record. That was 5 years ago by the way.