No offense, Jess...

I will go with Pais on anything she says regarding young thoroughbreds (which is the breed in question.) She has a lot more experience than you in regards to raising them. Our experience in the hunter/jumper world has very little to do with the racing industry.

To answer your question in regards to bone growth, it depends on which bone growth plate you're talking about and the breed of horse.

You just helped my argument. The NAVC was referring to all horses...not just Thoroughbreds. Those numbers cannot be taken at face value.

All I was asking for was the age range of when horses' bones are fully mature. In other words, the age range of when their bones stop maturing and growing. That is all I wanted to know.

Because I have had experience in both worlds and had extensive conversations with those who have worked in all the different fields in both worlds, the racehorse world and show horse world are not very different at all in alot of aspects. The horses breed the same, give birth the same, hunter Thoroughbreds mature and develop the same as racehorse Thoroughbreds, legs are iced after race/show jumping round, foaling barns are ran the same way, surgeries are the same, and yearlings are prepped for a sale in the same manner that we would prep a yearling for an in hand class minus the steroids, not trimming with scissors after the mane has been pulled, and not braiding. There are a lot of differences, but a lot of similarities.

No one on here except for one knows of my experiences or endeavors, and even that person hardly knows all of them. Nor will anyone on here know the extent of them. You are not qualified to speak on them.

Believe who you want to believe. I don't care.

How many foaling barns in the racing industry have you worked in? How many champs (racehorses) have you had the opportunity to raise first hand? How old are you? 21?

Spare me.

amen.

I don't have to prove my worth on an internet message board. Those who matter to me know.

Can I ask you a question. Does experience outweigh knowledge and talent? Just because someone has more experience with horses, does that make them more knowledgeable that a starting out veterinarian?

Hun, she knows more about this stuff than you do. I'm sure there are things that you are more knowledgeable about, but this isn't one of them. Sorry.

Like I said, I'm not going to prove my worth. Everytime I do, it is viewed as bragging.

My statements above were correct. Experience isn't a good gauge of overall knowledge. It doesn't matter that I am 22. I could provide a million examples of how true those statements are in reality in the horse industry. And you certainly to not know my experience either.

She can't even tell me the age range that horses' bones stop growing...

I am done with this. It is pointless. I'm arguing against someone who is supposed to be more knowledgeable than me but can't answer a question. Happens all the time on this board.

Has the thought occurred to you that maybe she doesn't want to answer you? Maybe she doesn't want to argue all day when there are other things she could be doing. Nobody can win an argument with you, Jess. You always have to be right... I've never seen a topic that you weren't considering yourself the 'expert' on.

By the way, experience means a lot more than what you read in books. Almost anyone can pick up a book and gain the knowledge that you speak of. Real life experiences are what mold us and shape us into what we are. If I had a choice between two doctors; one who had been in practice for 20 years and one who had just begun, I would take the more experienced one any day of the week. Why? Because knowledge is very little without the experience that goes along with it.

Can you answer my question about the age range. I just wanted to know the answer to it...

That is all...

I thought that ya'll would know it...

Never claimed to be an expert on anything except the day that I was being facetious about horse conformation...

Ya'll love to take up for each other on this site. Pais is a big girl. She can take up for herself.

As for the doctors, I would much rather have the younger one. Why? Because the younger ones are more up to date on research and new technologies. Plus, they seem to be more enthusiastic and caring when helping patients. Also, they already have alot of experience by the time they are finished with college.

Again, you missed the point, so I will stop trying.

I'll go hide in a corner now...

you want answers? look them up.
as to why myself and certain other members here choose not to get into pointless "discussions" with you?
I can't speak for everyone, but personally I find you so insignificant (and yet entertaining, when you persist in re-asking the same question a hundred times---questions that I assume you already know the answer to--in yet another attempt to show your superiority) that ignoring you is the best way for an endlessly amusing day.

just read something that i felt was appropriate for this thread.

intelligence comes from books, but wisdom comes from experience.

and it's funny that younger supposedly is better, because they learn the 'lastest stuff'....yeah, they learn it after the older and wiser figured it out for them TO learn!!

Oh my God Deb, Jamie what have I done with such an innocent wonder as the start of this thread?.....IR actually ran a hell of a last panel and easily could have won another today. As for the other stuff I am way too much of a simpleton to understand half of what was said here......I just think IR is a beautiful spirited competitive animal which is what was so attractive in the first place. Imagine an athlete who runs for nothing but the joy of winning and seems to know the significance of having heart for the wire......how can you not be in love with that!!

Too funny! What can I say... we women like to go off topic? :o

I don't know that much about raising a champion Thoroughbred racehorse because my barn has never raised one. We've raised Thoroughbred hunters by racehorse sires who also sire good hunters, but we have not raised Thoroughbred racehorses. I reckon both mature the same way though...

Yes, I should have kept my mouth shut. I apologize.

Let me explain my reasoning behind doctors. Each older and wiser individual usually figures out but a piece of the larger picture. Are the older individuals that figured out the individual pieces of the bigger picture for the younger doctors brillant? Absolutely. Are some of them better than some of the younger doctors? Absolutely. Is the older doctor more educated in all the new technologies and research than the younger doctor? Most of the time that isn't the case because the younger doctors (while going through school) are getting all the pieces combined together that the older doctors figured out individually. That is the one of the reasons why doctors are required to go to many CE lectures every year (different numbers depending on the state you practice in). To get lectured on some of the new technologies and research.

I go to a great young doctor who is also a friend of the family. She is in her lower 30s, and is the best GP that I have ever been to.

Horses' bones stop growing (a horse is fully grown) from 5-7 years of age depending on the individual. That is all I have left to say in this thread. We went off topic a bit anyway.

He did run well Doc

that's why i'm a fan. sounds like you enjoyed his race, good for you! i'm looking forward to watching a personal fave, junior college, run next saturday while i'm at the track. now whether i bet him is another story...maybe as part of an ex, as i think he'll be the favorite.