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Hickory Hill Hoff 02-28-2008 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
6 dirt horses and 8 turf horses in the Big Cap

Also any of the 14 have a shot.....a real headbanger of a race!

SniperSB23 02-28-2008 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Also any of the 14 have a shot.....a real headbanger of a race!

Not true, Great Hunter is in the race.

Hickory Hill Hoff 02-28-2008 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Not true, Great Hunter is in the race.

Ah yes! I picked him to run third in the Derby :rolleyes:

RolloTomasi 02-28-2008 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Not true, Great Hunter is in the race.

Isn't it ridiculous that he's listed at 8-1 on the ML? He's horrendous.

Medici Code could pull of a nice upset here. He was training very well at Del Mar on the Polytrack and at one point was being considered for the Pacific Classic. The two conspicuous losses on conventional dirt should keep many away, and classwise, he fits here against a basically Grade 2 calibur field.

Coach Pants 02-28-2008 10:53 PM

War Monger

Awesome Gem

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-29-2008 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
War Monger

Awesome Gem

chalk eater..lol

King Glorious 02-29-2008 10:17 PM

I guess I'll box Champs Elysees, Medici Code, Heatseeker, Go Between, and Tiago and see what happens.

Mike 02-29-2008 10:23 PM

I'm without a wager at SA except for the Big Cap. I'm going to toss Go Between form the underside of my Monterrey Jazz exotic keys, and focus on a larger $$$ amount on a box of Medici Code and Monterrey Jazz

pick4 02-29-2008 11:45 PM

John Shirreff's has been aiming for the Santa Anita Handicap with Tiago all winter. His two races this meet have been very good. He wasn't cranked up in his return race the San Fernando and the top two horses battled each other 1-2 around the track. In the Strub Stakes, the trainer wanted Mike Smith to have Tiago well off the pace for the first half-mile. The winner Monterey Jazz ran an insane race and one I can't imagine him replicating.Tiago is 6-1 and he might be between 4 and 6-1 when they go to post. He's a multiple Grade 1 winner on dirt. He's had three very good works since the Strub ending with a minute and three fifths breeze earlier this week. If he's good enough, and I believe he is compared to his competition, he'll run a good race and probably win the Big Cap.

pick4 03-01-2008 12:26 AM

War Monger is a good horse and he might be good enough to beat these horses. However he's shipping out west for the first time and while he's probably not facing a true Grade 1 field, these horses are better than the ones he has raced with thus far. War Monger is 8/5 morning line and he's a bet against as a heavy favorite. I think there will be enough pace here with Storm Military and Willow O Wisp that Out of Control will have a perfect setup to stalk, pounce and have enough to hold off the late close of War Monger. If Out Of Control is anywhere near the 4-1 m/l odds when they go to post he will be a good horse to wager on.

Pedigree Ann 03-01-2008 04:52 AM

So instead of cheering at having a 14-horse field in a major race you grouse about the quality. Heads up, lads - 14-horse fields of the past contained questionable horses, too, who got real weight concessions (105 lbs vs 130 on the top-weight) to give them a shot. Not every SA Hcp winner has been one for the ages, either - do the names Azucar, Olhaverry, and Linmold ring any bells? Milwaukee Brew, who won this one twice (the first such dual winner who didn't have help from the stewards' room), didn't look like much, either, until he got to run 10f.

If you have a star, or two or three, you get a small field. If you don't have a star, you get a big field and an interesting betting contest. Be thankful for what you have, and shed a tear for the grand old Gulfstream Park H, once a 10f test of champions, like Round Table, Coaltown, Armed, Kelso, Pretense, Forego, etc., now merely a shadow of its former self.

ArlJim78 03-01-2008 07:04 AM

I'm looking for Heatseeker to bring it home today.

AeWingnut 03-01-2008 07:24 AM

I love that the race has 14 instead of 6 horses.

Monterey Jazz should have an uncontested lead.
Not really sure where Medici Code will be - would have to be a different animal to contend. Euro All-weather record a plus?
It's probably the 20-1 M/L but I like Celtic Dreamin. Shouldn't have to pass everyone to get there. If you like Go Between you have to include him.

Hearing that Tiago has been pointed to this one ...Nice horse just can't bet all of them.

Student Council has an excuse as well

Champs Elysees - Frankel is 21% going from turf to All-weather

Monterey Jazz would have to quit on his own. Everyone else is running for place.

barring race time insights the bet is

6 w/ 1, 9, 12 w/ 1, 2, 5, 9, 12 w/ 1, 4, 5, 9, 11, 12
what is that like $20 for a dime :o

NTamm1215 03-01-2008 08:25 AM

I'm ready for Medici Code to end up the wiseguy horse in here because of the back synthetic form and a couple of quick works. The thing about this guy is that I can't see how you'd be making a good investment at less than 8-1.

This race is inscrutable and if pressured I'd say I'll throw a few bucks at Go Between.

Good luck all!

NT

King Glorious 03-01-2008 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
So instead of cheering at having a 14-horse field in a major race you grouse about the quality. Heads up, lads - 14-horse fields of the past contained questionable horses, too, who got real weight concessions (105 lbs vs 130 on the top-weight) to give them a shot. Not every SA Hcp winner has been one for the ages, either - do the names Azucar, Olhaverry, and Linmold ring any bells? Milwaukee Brew, who won this one twice (the first such dual winner who didn't have help from the stewards' room), didn't look like much, either, until he got to run 10f.

If you have a star, or two or three, you get a small field. If you don't have a star, you get a big field and an interesting betting contest. Be thankful for what you have, and shed a tear for the grand old Gulfstream Park H, once a 10f test of champions, like Round Table, Coaltown, Armed, Kelso, Pretense, Forego, etc., now merely a shadow of its former self.

They could take 14 horses from the $10k claiming ranks and give us a 14-horse field. What does that mean? Be thankful? Are u serious? If we can't expect our best races to have our best horses anymore, what is there to look forward to?

Bobby Fischer 03-01-2008 11:10 AM

It's all about watching how the track plays and then finding value from the group of horses that can win with that bias and eliminating the ones that can not. Think of it like handicapping a yeilding or worse turf race. You can't use Monterey Jazz or Air Commander unless speed horses earlier in the card show the way.

Indian Charlie 03-01-2008 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
They could take 14 horses from the $10k claiming ranks and give us a 14-horse field. What does that mean? Be thankful? Are u serious? If we can't expect our best races to have our best horses anymore, what is there to look forward to?

Death

10 pnt move up 03-01-2008 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
It's all about watching how the track plays and then finding value from the group of horses that can win with that bias and eliminating the ones that can not. Think of it like handicapping a yeilding or worse turf race. You can't use Monterey Jazz or Air Commander unless speed horses earlier in the card show the way.

the track is fair, any style can win this race today.

TitanSooner 03-01-2008 05:55 PM

Out of Control

Tiago


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