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Kasept 02-19-2008 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You're right about the first part, but I'm not so sure about the second. Who are the killers in there? Court Vision? Monba? You can have them both. Adriano's a turf horse. I'm really high on Elysium Fields, but he's just a maiden winner. And then you have Zito's pair.

Make the Point.. from KMc there too.

mes5107 02-19-2008 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wac
I was at work so did not get to see this race but i have a small future bet on "cork" and was wondering what was the visual impression of the race? From looking at drf charts it looks like track was playing to closers so im wondering if it was a race to be excited. I was also surprised to see this horse go off at almost 5-1 with all the "buzz" about him.

I kind of got the opposite from looking at the charts. Most of the horses that seemed to close were good horses and were expected to do so. I thought a lot of the longshots seemed to hang on more than they should have.

Of course Sacred Journey put up crazy fractions in this race with no pressure from behind, so the race was not going to go his way, but he did still hang for third.

Coach Pants 02-19-2008 09:02 AM

So if this horse is one of the top 5 contenders for the derby then we're looking at a 2:03 and change maybe 2:04 race?

Wow. Can't wait.

2 Dollar Bill 02-19-2008 09:17 AM

Reading thru this thread, and the "" this is my derby horse"", ect... My question is [ with all the derby horses pointed to first sat. of may ]
"" Have we seen the 2008 derby winning horse run this year ..yet ? ""

Coach Pants 02-19-2008 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 2 Dollar Bill
Reading thru this thread, and the "" this is my derby horse"", ect... My question is [ with all the derby horses pointed to first sat. of may ]
"" Have we seen the 2008 derby winning horse run this year ..yet ? ""

NO

SniperSB23 02-19-2008 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
So if this horse is one of the top 5 contenders for the derby then we're looking at a 2:03 and change maybe 2:04 race?

Wow. Can't wait.

You are using an 8 furlong time at Oaklawn to predict the time for the Derby? It was about the exact same time as Smarty Jones for what that is worth.

2 Dollar Bill 02-19-2008 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
NO

Glad to see I wasnt the only one thinking that way also !

Coach Pants 02-19-2008 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
You are using an 8 furlong time at Oaklawn to predict the time for the Derby? It was about the exact same time as Smarty Jones for what that is worth.

Wow.

miraja2 02-19-2008 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Denis of Cork rec'd a 96 BSF for yesterday's Southwest effort..

Those that are wanting to embrace David Carroll's exciting colt should not be concerned about the 'finishing kick/closing times' as Oaklawn is a bizarre oval when it comes to this analysis. Remember back to the Afleet Alex and Smarty Jones seasons because the final quarters have frequently seemed slow in this series. Randy Moss discovered years ago that the stretch at Hot Springs runs slightly uphill

Oh yeah, now that you say it, I kind of remember hearing about that uphill thing before. His race still didn't seem that impressive to me given the suspect nature of the competition, but a 96 certainly makes him one of the top contenders at this point.

blackthroatedwind 02-19-2008 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Thanks...forgot about him. I wonder if he'll get the 9 furlongs.

I don't wonder.....I find it highly unlikely.

blackthroatedwind 02-19-2008 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Considering that most seemed to like the quality of the field coming in, how does this get brought up after the fact?


" Most " were wrong going into the race if they considered this a quality field. What it was, however, was a good mix and match of horses coming from different races, distances, and jurisdictions. However, there were no horses that screamed " quality " going into the race.

There might, however, be one coming out. But, like others, considering the decent performance chasing by the second finisher, and his resume coming in, I will withhold judgement on Dennis of Cork. He did run well though and in a year that is light on good 3YO performances he certainly looks promising.

Oaklawnfan 02-19-2008 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I had a little different take on the race. I thought it was interesting how he was an up close 4th early. As the leader blazed on, Denis of Cork began dropping back outside of horses. Launched his bid wide and appeared to me at least that he was tons the best. I thought the run he put in from the far turn home was quite impressive and he has now handled 3 different tracks, including Churchill. Maybe I'm grasping for a contender also, but a lot of people were real down on him after the allowance win and he crushed the field yesterday. he at least appears to be improving, which at this point is a very good sign.

I loved this horse from the begining, partly because of the regional connections and the story behind his name. His impressive two previous wins and now this one makes you want to jump on his bandwagon early. I am curious to see if they run him back in the Rebel, and who will ship in to go against him.:confused:

Danzig 02-19-2008 12:01 PM

golden yank is supposed to make his three year old debut in the rebel. there's been a lot of buzz about him, so i'm anxious to see if it's warranted.

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-19-2008 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
" Most " were wrong going into the race if they considered this a quality field. What it was, however, was a good mix and match of horses coming from different races, distances, and jurisdictions. However, there were no horses that screamed " quality " going into the race.

There might, however, be one coming out. But, like others, considering the decent performance chasing by the second finisher, and his resume coming in, I will withhold judgement on Dennis of Cork. He did run well though and in a year that is light on good 3YO performances he certainly looks promising.

what would giant moon do to dennis of cork?

blackthroatedwind 02-19-2008 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
what would giant moon do to dennis of cork?


Lose to him.

MisterB 02-19-2008 01:01 PM

Wasn't Corks last race a Clue? Went four wide the whole trip, flattened a bit, but lasted. Seems many had the right choice.

SniperSB23 02-19-2008 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
Wasn't Corks last race a Clue? Went four wide the whole trip, flattened a bit, but lasted. Seems many had the right choice.

He was wide but I was more impressed that he was able to close off of brutally slow fractions. You don't get that done if you are just a plodder. You have to be a legit closer to close on fresh horses in front of you.

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-19-2008 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Lose to him.

will see after the gotham


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