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Rudeboyelvis

02-17-2008 09:42 AM

Mentioned this in the Tampa thread in Selections, but may be something to consider - Z Humor looked absolutely horrible in the Paddock - completely washed out, so much so that I even contemplated leaving him off my late P3 ticket - I saw Stuttes, Tagg and Mott in the paddock, but Assmussen must have had bigger fish to fry that day, or I just didn't see him - I simply can't imagine that if he was here, the horse wouldn't have looked so bad

pgardn

02-17-2008 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I just watched the replay a few times, including the head on. The highlighted part just didn't happen. Watch it again. I suppose he was wide on the first turn although he was actually in the same path as the winner and on the second turn he was 6 wide, compared to the winner being about 5 wide. All things considered his trip wasn't bad at all.

Now this is going to be an odd
thing for me to do but you are
perfectly correct. I just watched
the head on. I had only watched
the normal replay.

No it was not a bad trip but
it was definitely not a good trip.
Backstretch he got shoved out very
wide which is not apparent regular view.

The main thing that I see is that this is
an improvement over his previous races.

So he would not be a contender because
there are only 3 horses that are? Or because
which other horses besides Pyro, War Pass, bad cat
are clearly better?

pgardn

02-17-2008 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What about Cowboy Cal looked good exactly? And I guess I just am missing what you guys are seeing in Big Truck. Have you seen his previous races? He really isn't much and I really didn't see anything that changes that. I think people are grasping for a contender right now, because there really hasn't been one step up other than the big two from last year and El Gato Malo. And haven't we seen enough good gallop outs to know that you have to take them with a grain of salt?

He led the entire race on grass and was beaten
late. Did not look bad at all to me. But as I said
that is grass and he is going to the Blue Grass
supposedly which will not tell us much.

I really dont care about gallop outs, all they really
show is that a horse is not completely wasted.

So I got the general opinion. Big Truck is mostly
a joke. Got that checked.

pgardn

02-17-2008 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I guess I fail to see how it was an improvement. I haven't seen any figs from the race, so I suppose it's possible he ran faster than he had previously, but that's not saying a lot. Time will obviously tell, but I don't see him having any kind of impact on the triple crown.

Did you watch his race at GP?

Duvalier

02-17-2008 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Rbe...Z Humor is Mott's horse...Asmusssen has Z Fortune for Zayat. Like you said the horse looked horrible, totally washed out in the paddock and post parade. Have to see what happens next time out...he already has the graded earnings from the Delta Jackpot but I really don't see him as much of a contender in the classics.

Rudeboyelvis

02-17-2008 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duvalier

My bad :o :o Thanks

philcski

02-17-2008 10:11 AM

I liked Fierce Wind coming in and like him even more now. The rest... not so much. Smooth Air I'll give a mulligan, didn't really get a chance to run until late.

Duvalier

02-17-2008 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

My bad :o :o Thanks

Too many Z's running around...hope they don't start getting like all the "Warren's so and so's" you see running in California...it's tough to keep up with them all.

pgardn

02-17-2008 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Of course. It was actually a faster race than his Remsen, so I'm not sure your point. He still has yet to run a remotely fast race and is light years away from being a threat to War Pass or Pyro.

So his GP race was better than his effort yesterday?

Thank you captain obvious for the update on War Pass
and Pyro. Dont dare go out on a limb. Its dangerous.

Point is these are 3 year olds. It is February. So who do
you see in an upcoming race (besidesthecat) that you are keeping a close
eye on? Because you and I both know at this stage Pyro
and War Pass still have a ways to go to make it to the gate.
If you were so sure about these two you would have put
your money in the round one pool. Good going getting Pyro
in that first pool. What did you get him at?

pgardn

02-17-2008 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski

I liked Fierce Wind coming in and like him even more now. The rest... not so much. Smooth Air I'll give a mulligan, didn't really get a chance to run until late.

He seemed to be struggling a bit down the stretch but the other horses around him seemed to lose form and he straightened out. I had a hard time deciphering exactly what was going on. He looks like a horse that gets
out of the gate well enough, and carries enough early speed to get
good position.

King Glorious

02-17-2008 10:29 AM

I think that after War Pass, El Gato Malo, Colonel John, and Pyro, just about anyone else is a contender. Not to win though. But I wouldn't feel confident taking any horse out of the rest and placing them above any others. Not yet. Nothing Big Truck did excited me yesterday. The winner was the most impressive of that field, IMO. Combined with his last two and maybe we've got something. I'm also looking forward to seeing Court Vision again.

pgardn

02-17-2008 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Ok now.
Colonel John and Court Vision.
I did not think that much about Colonel John.
Court Vision I had.

I am looking foward to seeing if El Gato Malo
can keep that pace going longer. If
so, it would be great to see War Pass and this horse
both make it to May. They could obliterate each other.

pgardn

02-17-2008 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I like another Tagg colt Elysium Fields. I think he's very good. I think Colonel John has some talent and am interested in seeing how he handles dirt. Thanks for the update on what month it is. With 12 of them they can get confusing. I agree that there is a long way to go, but nothing about yesterdays race impressed me.

I'm not sure either War Pass or Pyro are going to win the Derby, but they are clearly at the top of the class right now. I realize it's obvious, but I don't need to "go out on a limb" on the board. I back my opinion at the windows.

Its just fun to conjecture especially this year.
There is no harm in being wrong while typing.
And no I would not expect you to come on this
site to bet being that Steve has not quite got
that set up with offshore sites.

Another for Colonel John.

pgardn

02-17-2008 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Have you seen any of El Gato Malo's races? He comes from off the pace, why would he obliterate War Pass?

Yes He comes from way off the pace when the 1st half goes in 44 in a mile race.

I think he has all kinds of tactical speed. I think he can go out early
and get a nice little spot and then put pressure on when they turn for
home. Possibly setting it up for the real late runners. All supposition.

And yes I have watched all three. I think this is a horse that
might drive like a car. He does what is asked.

pgardn

02-17-2008 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Or when they go 48 and 3 in a mile race, like at Golden gate.

Why do anything different in that particular race?
This horse appears to do what is asked.

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