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IrishofNDMan 01-23-2008 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Point is, it's wrong.

I agree with that, that is why I don't think anything should be done to Majerus.

Jacobson did not express a belief however, she just threw out some F bombs but I really don't care as much as most of you think, I just wanted to start a topic and it turned out to be a 5 page topic.

SCUDSBROTHER 01-23-2008 08:14 PM

Hey ND,why don't you tell us what you think Christ would do to him(for being for abortion rights.)Would he fire him,because his group is paying the bills? Is that the way he would do it? I don't think so,and so why would you want something representing Christ to do something Christ wouldn't do? If he wanted to change his mind,he wouldn't fire him.He would tell him a story.Give him a lesson.Try to make him see the error without punishing him.Firing him would be in line with the actions of a much later religious prophet.....A butcher.....

IrishofNDMan 01-23-2008 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Hey ND,why don't you tell us what you think Christ would do to him(for being for abortion rights.)Would he fire him,because his group is paying the bills? Is that the way he would do it? I don't think so,and so why would you want something representing Christ to do something Christ wouldn't do? If he wanted to change his mind,he wouldn't fire him.He would tell him a story.Give him a lesson.Try to make him see the error without punishing him.Firing him would be in line with the actions of a much later religious prophet.....A butcher.....

I NEVER SAID FIRE HIM!

I just said the University can do whatever they please, right or wrong.



Nice try though!

SCUDSBROTHER 01-23-2008 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
I NEVER SAID FIRE HIM!

I just said the University can do whatever they please, right or wrong.



Nice try though!

Why would you say an organization representing Christ should have the right to fire him(if Christ wouldn't act that way?) Wouldn't you say that they should follow Christ's examples of the way he treated sinners?

IrishofNDMan 01-23-2008 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Why would you say an organization representing Christ should have the right to fire him(if Christ wouldn't act that way?) Wouldn't you say that they should follow Christ's examples of the way he treated sinners?

just making the point that it doesn't matter what any of us believe, because it is not up to us.

They will do the right thing.

IrishofNDMan 01-23-2008 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Why would you say an organization representing Christ should have the right to fire him(if Christ wouldn't act that way?) Wouldn't you say that they should follow Christ's examples of the way he treated sinners?

just making the point that it doesn't matter what any of us believe, because it is not up to us.

They will do the right thing.

SCUDSBROTHER 01-23-2008 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
just making the point that it doesn't matter what any of us believe, because it is not up to us.

They will do the right thing.

Well,I think that's about as good a stopping point as we'll get.How can I argue with that beauty.

Danzig 01-23-2008 11:08 PM

so, the abortion test will no longer apply just to supreme court justices?


"we at burger world are impressed with your resume...but what's your stance on abortion? pro choice, oh, sorry....you can't flip burgers here.":rolleyes:


people have a right to their opinion, a right to free speech, as well as assembly. majerus was off the clock, assembling, and using his right to free speech.
if the college can't handle that, that's their problem. he's there to coach basketball, not teach catholic doctrine.

this guy burke who brought it all up is the same guy who said pols who are pro choice shouldn't receive communion. he's in the wrong country, we don't do things like that here--this country is no theocracy.

IrishofNDMan 01-23-2008 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
so, the abortion test will no longer apply just to supreme court justices?


"we at burger world are impressed with your resume...but what's your stance on abortion? pro choice, oh, sorry....you can't flip burgers here.":rolleyes:


people have a right to their opinion, a right to free speech, as well as assembly. majerus was off the clock, assembling, and using his right to free speech.
if the college can't handle that, that's their problem. he's there to coach basketball, not teach catholic doctrine.

this guy burke who brought it all up is the same guy who said pols who are pro choice shouldn't receive communion. he's in the wrong country, we don't do things like that here--this country is no theocracy.

Sorry you didn't get hired at Burger World, flipping burgers at McDonalds can't be that bad, keep your head up!

Danzig 01-23-2008 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
Sorry you didn't get hired at Burger World, flipping burgers at McDonalds can't be that bad, keep your head up!


lol

mcdonalds used to be the place most got their first job. now it's walmart. but thankfully, i've never done the fast food thing. can't even remember the last time i went into a mcdonalds....

PeteMugg 01-24-2008 04:32 PM

Another angle
 
Would you expect the local archbishop to take a pass on this? He's got a job to do, too. I respect Majarus for standing up and saying what he believes ... same goes for AB Burke though.

Mortimer 01-24-2008 04:44 PM

Oh for the love of mike ,here.

You're all missing the point.



The Catholic laws say you can do what you want....just don't admit it. If your views differ from theirs and they employee you.....just don't say what they are.

If you had an abortion...just say you got fat and went on a diet. If you had sex with a minor....don't say anything. If you are pro abortion....when asked just say you don't know ( and don't want to know) what abortion means.


And if you coach an outrageously bad fb team ........









...well that one's pretty hard to hide.

Danzig 01-24-2008 08:40 PM

"These beliefs are ingrained in me," Majerus told the paper. "And my First Amendment right to free speech supersedes anything that the archbishop would order me to do. My dad fought on Okinawa in World War II. My uncle died in World War II. I had classmates die in Vietnam. And it was to preserve our way of life, so people like me could have an opinion."

The dispute between the archbishop and the coach puts students and faculty in the midst of a common clash pitting Catholic doctrine against intellectual freedom. The private university is independent of the Archdiocese of St. Louis, and therefore beyond the bishop's purview, but is tied to it culturally as a Catholic institution.

"I'm a Catholic, and I support the church's stance. As an American, I also support people's free speech," said Andrew Clifton, the Student Government Association president.

Berry said Burke doesn't have any direct control over the university, which is operated by priests in the Jesuit order, also known as the Society of Jesus.


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