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docicu3 01-09-2008 06:36 PM

Biggs

Here is Maryland "The Home of The Speeding Ticket" quota system a number of double speak terms are used among them is the "calibrated speedometer" which is another way of saying...

"I have you for reckless driving (20 MPH over the speed limit) but I'll just write you for a speedometer malfunction which is a far lesser charge....this line is very very common.

Here in the home of STQS a number of traps are seen on I95 N out of Baltimore where they just line'em up from the trap into and out of the Harbor Tunnel where the speed limit on a highway suddenly is listed as 50MPH when 50 miles of 65 was the norm. It's hysterical that all of the traffic slows to 50 while the out of state plate goes 65-70 only to have Jethro ticket tham for an inoperable speedometer.

If you can get the guy to say in court he got you going the other way your out of this one Biggs but if dude embellishes things abot your screwed...

More speeding tickets are written in January than any other month of the year for some reason....

Scav 01-09-2008 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
I know it is stacked against me, but I couldn't live with myself if I just wrote a check and moved on.

The straight line deal is something I will investigate (measure the median width) he was across a fairly wide median moving towards me.

Like I said earlier, I know I will probably lose, but I am going to aggrivate the cop (at the least, by making him show up) and let the court know that I (and probably a ton of other people) got a raw deal.

Just don't get all Scav on the judge, I doubt he will like that.

Danzig 01-09-2008 06:55 PM

oh, and don't do like the 'lady' the other day who received a parole revocation order, and signed it 'kiss my ass' and mailed it back. she got contempt added to her punishment...

DerbyCat 01-09-2008 10:17 PM

I'm a former California Highway Patrol Officer and was a court liaison for another law enforcement agency in the past. Obviously, courts vary from state to state so I can't tell you exactly what to do to get off but here are a few things you can do to help your case:

1. Have a written record of the chain of events and all other details about the incident with you (a polite and professional version of your first post in this thread would work ;) ). This will help you to remember all of the details that you want to tell the judge (you will forget key things when you start talking, court can make most people nervous and forgetful). When the Judge asks for your side of the incident, ask him if you can read from your notes and tell him that you would like to submit your notes after you speak as one of your exhibits (i.e.: evidence). In the notes, make sure you document it in the following order:
Describe the day, time, location of the incident and where you were on the roadway.
Note the weather/visibility.
Make mention of other vehicles in front/next to/behind you.
State when you first saw the officer and what you did.
Let the judge know what you did when you were pulled over, where the stop was made at and your behavior when the officer contacted you.
Don't go into a word for word replay of the conversation you had with the officer but note the key points that he told you.

2. Take photos of the area in question showing what the area looked like from your view and also from the officers view. Take these photos during the same time of day as you received your ticket. Take prints that are at least 8"x10" and be prepared to leave them with the Judge. Also, take a photo of your vehicle so the Judge can see that you haven't made any modifications to it.

3. Take the original calibration paperwork you receive from your mechanic and also take copies of any recent maintenance work you have done (this shows that you properly maintain your vehicle).

4. Ask for the Judge to ask the officer for the calibration records for his radar, as well as the officers training and certification for that type of radar. If this is not current, you're golden!

5. If it appears that you're going to lose, politely ask the judge if you can attend traffic school - tell him that would be more beneficial and educational to you than just paying a fine.

6. Always remember to be polite, refer to the judge as "your honor" or "Sir", the cop is "the Deputy (or officer"). Never interrupt and don't speak unless the judge directs you to.

I'm sure there are a few other things that would help you but I can't think of them right now. Good luck - just by appearing in court, being polite, being prepared and organized - you have dramatically increased your chances of not having to pay $163!

Scav 01-09-2008 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerbyCat
I'm a former California Highway Patrol Officer and was a court liaison for another law enforcement agency in the past. Obviously, courts vary from state to state so I can't tell you exactly what to do to get off but here are a few things you can do to help your case:

1. Have a written record of the chain of events and all other details about the incident with you (a polite and professional version of your first post in this thread would work ;) ). This will help you to remember all of the details that you want to tell the judge (you will forget key things when you start talking, court can make most people nervous and forgetful). When the Judge asks for your side of the incident, ask him if you can read from your notes and tell him that you would like to submit your notes after you speak as one of your exhibits (i.e.: evidence). In the notes, make sure you document it in the following order:
Describe the day, time, location of the incident and where you were on the roadway.
Note the weather/visibility.
Make mention of other vehicles in front/next to/behind you.
State when you first saw the officer and what you did.
Let the judge know what you did when you were pulled over, where the stop was made at and your behavior when the officer contacted you.
Don't go into a word for word replay of the conversation you had with the officer but note the key points that he told you.

2. Take photos of the area in question showing what the area looked like from your view and also from the officers view. Take these photos during the same time of day as you received your ticket. Take prints that are at least 8"x10" and be prepared to leave them with the Judge. Also, take a photo of your vehicle so the Judge can see that you haven't made any modifications to it.

3. Take the original calibration paperwork you receive from your mechanic and also take copies of any recent maintenance work you have done (this shows that you properly maintain your vehicle).

4. Ask for the Judge to ask the officer for the calibration records for his radar, as well as the officers training and certification for that type of radar. If this is current, you're golden!

5. If it appears that you're going to lose, politely ask the judge if you can attend traffic school - tell him that would be more beneficial and educational to you than just paying a fine.

6. Always remember to be polite, refer to the judge as "your honor" or "Sir", the cop is "the Deputy (or officer"). Never interrupt and don't speak unless the judge directs you to.

I'm sure there are a few other things that would help you but I can't think of them right now. Good luck - just by appearing in court, being polite, being prepared and organized - you have dramatically increased your chances of not having to pay $163!

Talk about VALUE on this board. I'll be sure to pick your brain DC if I have a run in with your fellas

docicu3 01-09-2008 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerbyCat
I'm a former California Highway Patrol Officer and was a court liaison for another law enforcement agency in the past. Obviously, courts vary from state to state so I can't tell you exactly what to do to get off but here are a few things you can do to help your case:

1. Have a written record of the chain of events and all other details about the incident with you (a polite and professional version of your first post in this thread would work ;) ). This will help you to remember all of the details that you want to tell the judge (you will forget key things when you start talking, court can make most people nervous and forgetful). When the Judge asks for your side of the incident, ask him if you can read from your notes and tell him that you would like to submit your notes after you speak as one of your exhibits (i.e.: evidence). In the notes, make sure you document it in the following order:
Describe the day, time, location of the incident and where you were on the roadway.
Note the weather/visibility.
Make mention of other vehicles in front/next to/behind you.
State when you first saw the officer and what you did.
Let the judge know what you did when you were pulled over, where the stop was made at and your behavior when the officer contacted you.
Don't go into a word for word replay of the conversation you had with the officer but note the key points that he told you.

2. Take photos of the area in question showing what the area looked like from your view and also from the officers view. Take these photos during the same time of day as you received your ticket. Take prints that are at least 8"x10" and be prepared to leave them with the Judge. Also, take a photo of your vehicle so the Judge can see that you haven't made any modifications to it.

3. Take the original calibration paperwork you receive from your mechanic and also take copies of any recent maintenance work you have done (this shows that you properly maintain your vehicle).

4. Ask for the Judge to ask the officer for the calibration records for his radar, as well as the officers training and certification for that type of radar. If this is current, you're golden!

5. If it appears that you're going to lose, politely ask the judge if you can attend traffic school - tell him that would be more beneficial and educational to you than just paying a fine.

6. Always remember to be polite, refer to the judge as "your honor" or "Sir", the cop is "the Deputy (or officer"). Never interrupt and don't speak unless the judge directs you to.
I'm sure there are a few other things that would help you but I can't think of them right now. Good luck - just by appearing in court, being polite, being prepared and organized - you have dramatically increased your chances of not having to pay $163!

The best of the advice you've gotten....anymore like this and we'll have to take play on you and establish a line for this event.

Court Date??

Wear professional clothes to court shirt/jacket/tie conservative in taste.
If your record of priors is spotless make sure that is known in your defense..

Bigsmc 01-10-2008 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerbyCat
I'm a former California Highway Patrol Officer and was a court liaison for another law enforcement agency in the past. Obviously, courts vary from state to state so I can't tell you exactly what to do to get off but here are a few things you can do to help your case:

1. Have a written record of the chain of events and all other details about the incident with you (a polite and professional version of your first post in this thread would work ;) ). This will help you to remember all of the details that you want to tell the judge (you will forget key things when you start talking, court can make most people nervous and forgetful). When the Judge asks for your side of the incident, ask him if you can read from your notes and tell him that you would like to submit your notes after you speak as one of your exhibits (i.e.: evidence). In the notes, make sure you document it in the following order:
Describe the day, time, location of the incident and where you were on the roadway.
Note the weather/visibility.
Make mention of other vehicles in front/next to/behind you.
State when you first saw the officer and what you did.
Let the judge know what you did when you were pulled over, where the stop was made at and your behavior when the officer contacted you.
Don't go into a word for word replay of the conversation you had with the officer but note the key points that he told you.

2. Take photos of the area in question showing what the area looked like from your view and also from the officers view. Take these photos during the same time of day as you received your ticket. Take prints that are at least 8"x10" and be prepared to leave them with the Judge. Also, take a photo of your vehicle so the Judge can see that you haven't made any modifications to it.

3. Take the original calibration paperwork you receive from your mechanic and also take copies of any recent maintenance work you have done (this shows that you properly maintain your vehicle).

4. Ask for the Judge to ask the officer for the calibration records for his radar, as well as the officers training and certification for that type of radar. If this is not current, you're golden!

5. If it appears that you're going to lose, politely ask the judge if you can attend traffic school - tell him that would be more beneficial and educational to you than just paying a fine.

6. Always remember to be polite, refer to the judge as "your honor" or "Sir", the cop is "the Deputy (or officer"). Never interrupt and don't speak unless the judge directs you to.

I'm sure there are a few other things that would help you but I can't think of them right now. Good luck - just by appearing in court, being polite, being prepared and organized - you have dramatically increased your chances of not having to pay $163!

Thanks DC. I was working on most of that except the photos. That is a nice addition and I can easily pull over and take those photos any day on my way home. I've also been researching the radar he used. Some interesting Law Enforcement message boards out there....

Thanks a bunch.

Bigsmc 01-10-2008 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by docicu3
The best of the advice you've gotten....anymore like this and we'll have to take play on you and establish a line for this event.

Court Date??

Wear professional clothes to court shirt/jacket/tie conservative in taste.
If your record of priors is spotless make sure that is known in your defense..

No court date yet. I tried to call the courthouse yesterday, but the woman couldn't hear me. I am going down there in person on Monday to enter my request for a court date.

Bigsmc 01-10-2008 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merasmag
if you're only going to prove a point

You obviously don't get it. I would write the check in a heartbeat if he had actually clocked me accurately.

Bigsmc 01-10-2008 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merasmag
are u sure cops even have to show up there? (in some places they can just introduce the ticket, p.s., make sure everything on that is accurate)
most times cops show up when they have more than one case, so u won't be inconveniencing him a great deal, in fact, he might even enjoy a break from the stake-out monotony and a free lunch...as to the court, i'm pretty sure the judge expects to hear u (and everyone else there) got a raw deal...when u go there monday stick your head in the courtroom and see if u really want to do all this as a matter of principle...especially as u already admitted breaking the law anyway

I will gladly pay the fine for how fast I was actually going. That's all I am hoping for, I don't expect to get it thrown out or walk away scott free.

Scav 01-10-2008 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
I will gladly pay the fine for how fast I was actually going. That's all I am hoping for, I don't expect to get it thrown out or walk away scott free.

Why are you tiffing with Sharon? She is drunk 68% of the time.

MUDBUG SUCKS SHARON :)

Danzig 01-10-2008 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Why are you tiffing with Sharon? She is drunk 68% of the time.

MUDBUG SUCKS SHARON :)

i think you got dyslexic with that number....;)

Cajungator26 01-10-2008 10:21 PM

If it makes you feel any better, my purse was stolen and now someone is trying to steal my identity. Hurray. :(

Sorry to hear about you getting a ticket, Bigs. No way I'd just pay the ticket. (This is coming from someone who has already been to traffic school 3 times, lol.)

pgardn 01-10-2008 10:36 PM

In this state if the officer thought he might be wrong it would be a no show. So I predict a no show.

Good luck.

If you can fake cry...

Ahhh ask for a warning next time
and then have a mental breakdown
if he gives you the ticket anyway.

Consult magma for the procedure
reguarding severe head trauma simulations.

Danzig 01-10-2008 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merasmag
that is like leavin your truck unlocked with 3 leather jackets in it....maybe mike hukabee can make it a death-penalty offense for rippin off people askin for trouble

wrong guy. he's the one who commutes the sentences of all the crooks.


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