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KY_Sasquash 01-05-2008 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mumtaz
Cite your stats and sources, please?

I'm sure the press directly from the tracks is always going to have a positive slant, but nobody has written anything like what you say, above. And I know there are plenty of racing journalists out there that obviously don't care for synthetic surfaces, and would be happy to publish such info as the above. I haven't seen it anywhere.

Check the charts from Golden Gates from 2 days ago. Delayed the start of races for 30 minutes then they had 5 horses pulled up/vanned up. Not exactly the answer the industry is looking for. I wonder what the creators of dirt are saying right now! Where are they? Why are they so silent? Oh yeah, dirt is a natural surface and you cant charge millions of dollars for it unless your running a greenhouse. ha!

King Glorious 01-05-2008 12:20 PM
It's absolutely incredible that the track super is saying it's soft when a respected rider is coming off of it pointing to concrete and saying they might as well be racing on that and comparing it to the Bonneville Salt Flats. I mean, 6.5f in 1:13.69 for second level allowance horses doesn't come on a soft track. These horses are running 7f faster than it took them to run 6f at Del Mar.

The Bid 01-05-2008 12:22 PM
On the other hand I heard Arlington Park has handled the snow incredibly well

SCUDSBROTHER 01-05-2008 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I hope some of you heard the Roger Stein Show this morning here in Southern California. It was great. He had Robert Shapiro of the CHRB on there and he absolutely grilled him. He told him that they need to convene an emergency session of the board to get the racing shifted over from Santa Anita to Hollywood. One classic exchange was when Shapiro said that Santa Anita hasn't come to the board with any kind of request to move over to Hollywood and Stein said something like "they didn't come to the board with a request to have to install this stuff either but yet you made them anyway." Shapiro also said the board didn't make the decision for each individual track as to which company they had to go with when then installed the tracks to which Stein reminded him that the board didn't give them much time to do much studying first.

Stein said that all three surfaces down here suck and said that in his talking with his fellow horsemen, he hears far different than what is printed in the papers.
How can you respect this guy's opinion on management of anything? He has destroyed his own health by gaining and losing thousands of pounds in one single lifetime. You sure that guy is still alive? Anybody who wants to go back to dirt doesn't give a **** about these animals.That much I know.You can try to justify it 20 different ways,but in the end ,you really don't give a **** about whether horses break down.If you did,then this subject(going back to dirt) wouldn't be on your mind.King,you're the same guy who admitted you attend dogfights.You are trash,to me,and I have stated that to you repeatedly.

The Bid 01-05-2008 12:54 PM
You dont think Zayat, Romans, Baffert, Sherrifs, care about their horses?

King Glorious 01-05-2008 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
How can you respect this guy's opinion on management of anything? He has destroyed his own health by gaining and losing thousands of pounds in one single lifetime. You sure that guy is still alive? Anybody who wants to go back to dirt doesn't give a **** about these animals.That much I know.You can try to justify it 20 different ways,but in the end ,you really don't give a **** about whether horses break down.If you did,then this subject(going back to dirt) wouldn't be on your mind.King,you're the same guy who admitted you attend dogfights.You are trash,to me,and I have stated that to you repeatedly.
I'm not sure what my feelings on dogfighting have to do with this but umm, ok. At least you should get it right though. I said I've seen them but that I would never voluntarily attend one because I don't get anything out of it.

Also, you say that anyone that wants to go back to dirt doesn't care about their horses. That's pretty silly. Does the same hold true for those that have stayed on dirt and not switched? Do all of the trainers that run on dirt at Churchill and NY and Florida not care about these animals either?

One last thing. Do you really think that you telling me that you think I'm trash hurts me? You can state it to me repeatedly until your fingers fall off. I really don't care.

Riot 01-05-2008 01:11 PM
Okay - Cushion Track has changed the sand at SA. It's been pouring rain last 24 hours in CA, right? (how much did SA get?)

Has anyone seen anything written anywhere on if the track is draining better today or not? I couldn't get the video link to the track that was posted - what's it look like today, puddled up, still sealed, what?

The Bid 01-05-2008 01:12 PM
Mum, the track is underwater on the video

SCUDSBROTHER 01-05-2008 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I'm not sure what my feelings on dogfighting have to do with this but umm, ok. At least you should get it right though. I said I've seen them but that I would never voluntarily attend one because I don't get anything out of it.

Also, you say that anyone that wants to go back to dirt doesn't care about their horses. That's pretty silly. Does the same hold true for those that have stayed on dirt and not switched? Do all of the trainers that run on dirt at Churchill and NY and Florida not care about these animals either?
See,trash acting like trash.I'll say it again. Anybody who wants to go back to dirt doesn't give a **** about these animals.

SCUDSBROTHER 01-05-2008 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I'm not sure what my feelings on dogfighting have to do with this but umm, ok. At least you should get it right though. I said I've seen them but that I would never voluntarily attend one because I don't get anything out of it.

Also, you say that anyone that wants to go back to dirt doesn't care about their horses. That's pretty silly. Does the same hold true for those that have stayed on dirt and not switched? Do all of the trainers that run on dirt at Churchill and NY and Florida not care about these animals either?

One last thing. Do you really think that you telling me that you think I'm trash hurts me? You can state it to me repeatedly until your fingers fall off. I really don't care.
Most people haven't seen dogfights.They want to turn it off,leave etc. when the squealing starts.Only trash like you can keep watching long enough to say you've seen one.

Riot 01-05-2008 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
Mum, the track is underwater on the video
Guess that new sand ain't working too well, hum?

Scav 01-05-2008 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
On the other hand I heard Arlington Park has handled the snow incredibly well
Because it was sealed back in September when training stopped :)

The Bid 01-05-2008 01:25 PM
Mum

If it were the sand or wax they would have fixed it. Its the entire package, the base, the wax, the sand, its all junk.

SCUDSBROTHER 01-05-2008 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Most people haven't seen dogfights.They want to turn it off,leave etc. when the squealing starts.Only trash like you can keep watching long enough to say you've seen one.

And to answer your question,if you can tolerate watching a dogfight,then it doesn't surprise anybody that you want to go back to the dirt we had out here.Backwards Beaumont trash finally got his dirt capping down,and can't learn how to cap synthetic.

The Bid 01-05-2008 01:36 PM
How do you handicap 3 days of cancelled racing due to the all weather track being rained on?

sumitas 01-05-2008 01:39 PM
You are so right Scuds. I completely agree with all your posts on this thread. Well said.

MaTH716 01-05-2008 01:39 PM
First time swimmies is a good angle.

Riot 01-05-2008 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Because it was sealed back in September when training stopped :)
Did they really? Interesting. Supposed to help keep water from freezing in the drainage system piping, to keep water from freezing in spaces within the stone base, or what? Wonder if Kee did that?

SCUDSBROTHER 01-05-2008 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
How do you handicap 3 days of cancelled racing due to the all weather track being rained on?
Just bet another track.It ain't the cushion track that's the problem(or else Hollywood wouldn't be an option.)I wouldn't believe anything said by the management of a Stronach track......Nothing..Zero..They didn't want it put in,and so it doesn't surprise me that it's f'd up.When you don't want something done,you pretty much aren't paying attention when it is being done.

The Bid 01-05-2008 02:01 PM
They cant keep Hollywood flat Scud. They have been complaining about the surface since it got installed.

Im sure SA and the CHRB didnt want to cancel racing dates, and they certainly dont want to admit they made a mistake. The track is under water today, and who knows what the standing water will do to further degrade the integrity of the surface. Answer......NOBODY. Nobody knows because nobody did any testing, they just installed it.


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