Thats worse. At least with a one year contract you can close the door after one season.

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The greenback has taken brutal hit this year. Consequently, the cost of one lousy Canadian is through the roof of the igloo this winter. Eric Gagne is half the pitcher that he was five years ago but still 100% better than any reliever the Brewers had last year, home to the worst bullpen in baseball. As an aside, among those knuckle-draggers in Milwaukee, this bespeckled hump will actually be considered "rakishly handsome". I think it's a perfect fit.

if that mother f*cker is handsome.....Im moving to Wisconsin to begin my modeling career

i agree the salary is to high but..... if you were to have watched the brewers enuff last year you would also notice our bullpen cost us quite a few games and the division.

it was fricken brutal between wise and turnbow both going into the crapper. turnbow-headcase. and linebrink being a train wreck from sd.

that being said melvin has just picked up torres. with torres, riske, gangne and mota. the last 2 are big ?

i think melvin and the org are loading up this bullpen and like **** ,throwing it against the wall to see what sticks.

anything to try to get that mess cleaned up is fine by me. spent on somebody better maybe or maybe he will turn it around and give us at least something.

just watch out for the brew crew's bats. this team has just started to pound the ball

i agree the salary is to high but..... if you were to have watched the brewers enuff last year you would also notice our bullpen cost us quite a few games and the division.

it was fricken brutal between wise and turnbow both going into the crapper. turnbow-headcase. and linebrink being a train wreck from sd.

that being said melvin has just picked up torres. with torres, riske, gangne and mota. the last 2 are big ?

i think melvin and the org are loading up this bullpen and like **** ,throwing it against the wall to see what sticks.

anything to try to get that mess cleaned up is fine by me. spent on somebody better maybe or maybe he will turn it around and give us at least something.

just watch out for the brew crew's bats. this team has just started to pound the ball

Melvin is scrambling to do all he can since they lost Cordero to an divisional rival in the Reds. The Reds paid Cordero 46 million over 4 years, which is ridiculous! I thought the crew offered him too much at $42 million for 4 yrs. I agree with pdrift, melvin is throwing them all at the wall to see what sticks. If one of them works out it is a good deal. Gagne for 1 yr is not as big of a risk as Cordero for 4 yrs at 46 million. Gagne may have lost it, but a change of scenary to the NL might do him good. All of the closers combined are not as expensive as it would be to pay Cordero. 1 yr deal gives Gagne a lot of incentive to pitch well, otherwise he is done.

Matt Wise was designated for assignment. He did struggle down the stretch on his way to a 4.19 ERA last season, but much of that was attributed to some mental issues after he threw a pitch that broke Pedro Lopez's cheekbone. I think this is quite a mistake for the Brewers. Wise is easily a better bet than Guillermo Mota (hasn't performed well since coming out of his suspension) for 2008 and probably Salomon Torres (show signs of over abuse at Pitt), as well, if he is over his mental issues. He'll be a worth a shot for another team.

your right the reds and us are and would have been nuts to give cordero a 4 year contract. 4 years for relief pitching at that price knowing how volatile relief pitching can be is just insane. the reds can have him for that.

that is my thinking also give him the 10 , its only a year, we don't need postionel players at all, there is no 1-2 starters we can afford so lets not bother with this market at this time. lets sit on our hands and see how are 6 starters , 2 new rookies fair and get this bullpen a little new look.

all we need is one of the 4 like you said to do it we also have shouse and aquino. something will come together. this was as good a job as melvin could do given the circumstances

thats fine IF that was the problem with wise. but if you can't shake it off then your no good to our bullpen.

how long will this linger. milwaukee doesn't have forever to wait for these 2 headcases (turnbow&wise) to clear there heads. the time is now to strike.

each year are great young players in the field risk injury and they are that much closer to leaving us when they reach free agency. we hit em now.

this is not a mistake. a mistake would have been to stand pat and watch wise be ineffective and turnbow give up a couple walks a inning as our closer. you never know from one night to the next what your getting on the mound with turnbow. he can look lights out one night and the next couldn't find the plate if you walked him up to it and showed him where it was.

given wise has talent and maybe a little more easier to straighten out then mota might be. but mota showed this same talent before reaching the mets.

**** cordero wasnt even pitching that well in texas before we got him. all it takes is a little turn of events with these closers.

and torres is well worth the risk. maybe over used and a sore arm last year but lets see what the winter off and a new place to play=he hated pitt and wanted out- don't think that had part to play?

Torres totally lost it. He could hardly miss a bat. Plus he is old.

true he wasnt the same last year. but not getting along with your coaches and wanting out, can effect your mindset and to then not start thinking about the job at hand and not give a **** how your pitching from night to night-could be part of the problem.

i'm sure hes lost some but if he turns back in to form just a little to help out. thats all we need.

his age won't matter to us, we want him for this year only not 4 years down the road like cordero.

we want these guys besides riske to just one of them return to form for us for a year. thats it. these guys arn't staying beyond a year if they dont produce besides riske

what other options do the brewers have throw money on long term relief contracts? i say add torres to the rest and lets see what we got

Goose Gossage and Jesse Orosco are available

with our bullpen situation last year. you tell goose to get ready to suit up and be i AZ in feb.

i know his alligence to the mets is unwavering even after retirment. hell he might still be playing for the mets for free if they let him. but tell ol franco he's invited with goose to if he can break this love affair him and the mets had for each other for sooooooooooo many years. well beyond what he should have stayed.

If you say this about Torres, the same can be said for Wise.
Plus, we don't even know what's in Torres head. He almost retired after being told of the trade.

with that money out there he is not going to retire.

he may have wanted to go to a different team, i have not heard nothing in any of the reports ive read that he was unhappy with this trade but just glad to get the hell out of pitt.

he'll calm his ass down once in milwaukee or to the back side of the bullpen your butt goes if this happens to be true.

we will see. still like the idea of him coming to see if he can rekindle something for at least a year.

Here's a couple of articles.

First article.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07342/840202-63.stm

This was actually posted in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinal
http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/ar...reporting.aspx

Now the Mets are looking at non-tendering Estrada, showing that the trade of Mota was just to get the 3.2million off their books.

we knew all along estrada was not going to be the mets catcher-not when they are looking at 2 others a week after-mets wanted to dump sal and brew wanted to get rid of a renegade to thier coaching staff.

thanks for the postings!!!

is considering retirement as much as he is considering reporting to the Brewers- good sign that its not that he doesnt want to be in milwaukee!

His reason: He is uncertain how a move will affect his family, which lives year-round in the North Hills.- at least not unhappy coming to milwaukee yet!

If I go to Milwaukee, I'm going to give my heart and soul to the Brewers," he said.- this is what i want to hear!!!!!! sign him up if he retires thats part of the game."

I think it's all the emotion right now," Brewers general manager Doug Melvin said last night. "When he talked to Jack, he said he was thrilled to be coming to the Brewers. I'm hoping he gets over this. All indications he gave Jack were that he wanted to come."- well all brewer fans can do is hope he doesnt retire and return to his form in 2004-2006

these are the reasons you take chance with this guy!!!!!!


He was one of Major League Baseball's most effective and durable middle relievers in 2004-06

But, after an offseason in which he admittedly failed to get into peak shape for 07

If I go to Milwaukee, I'm going to give my heart and soul to the Brewers," he said.

all you can do is take him for his word .if so maybe a turnaround if he doesnt retire

2nd article sry just read the first thinking they were going to have same info didn't realize-

Just got back from the Eric Gagne press conference at Miller Park. General manager Doug Melvin was feeling really good about his bullpen because not only does he have Gagne as his closer,

Salomon Torres told him today he would report instead of retiring.

The fact that Kevin Mench was designated for assignment, on the heels of allowing Geoff Jenkins to become a free agent, tells you that the Brewers have something else in mind for LF. Look for them to pick up an outfielder or acquire a third baseman and move Ryan Braun to LF. I'm starting to get some vibes on Texas third baseman Hank Blalock

that would be nice to get blalock!!!!!

first glance was mmmm....further review

59 ab's in 07 - reason-rib removed -no problemo