I saw that also, and admittedly was quite surprised as I was unaware of the rules. Is this pick 4 rule standard, or does it vary from track to track. It obviously happens relatively infrequently, but as you wrote, it is totally absurd and unfair.

Well said Steve. As we sit here nearing 2008 for cripes sakes, we can't get two separate payouts with a dead heat in a P4? They have no problem cranking out separate wps, exactas, tris, supers and P3's, but don't bother with the P4. Deplorable.

Delta P4 payout
 

This is ridiculous on the Delta P4 payout. Did they show the P4 payoffs before the race was run? Seems like most tracks do.

I have never had this happen before. Do all other tracks and states have the same type payoff structure?

Thanks,
Bulllea

Steve, I'm glad you brought this up because I felt like I was robbed last night. I understand the rule, but it is clearly unacceptable and should not be tolerated by horseplayers. With the long look at the photo and then the jockey objection, I was just thinking that if it was a DEAD-HEAT, I'd get the worst case scenerio in the payoffs. I'm not complaining because I was directly effected (kinda), but this matter must be submitted to those that can adjust the PK4 payoffs.

Simply Repulsive - WOW

I feel for ya Gus. No way in hell, that we as horseplayers, who bet our hard earned money should accept this. Two seperate payouts should have been paid. No if's and's or but's about it.

Great job picking Turf War.

Pick 4 Dead Heat
 

I don't understand that in a Pick 3 pool, if there is a dead heat there are two separate payoffs.

While in a Pick 4 pool, the pools are co-mingled.

I have seen this twice fairly recently in two different states -

once yesterday at Delta where a 3:2 deadheated with a 39:1

There were two payouts for Pick 3's :
$2 Pick 3 (8-6-4) 3 Correct Paid $31.80
$2 Pick 3 (8-6-9) 3 Correct Paid $402.40

Yet one Pick 4 payout:
$2 Pick 4 (4-8-6-4/9) 4 Correct Paid $127.60


This also happened at Gulfstream last season with similar odds horses.

Yeah, I had the 9....so I feel like i was a bit robbed, but shouldn't there be separate pools just like in Pick 3's.

I don't play Pick 6's, but thinking about it, don't they co-mingle Pick 6's as well?

To the questions regarding it's application, the rule is widely utilized... Here's LA and NJ as examples...


LOUISIANA:

Chapter 116. Pick Four
§11615. Dead Heats
EMERGENCY RULE

A. In the event of a dead heat for win between two or more horses in any pick four race, all such horses in the dead heat for win shall be considered as winning horses in the race for the purpose of calculating the pool and payoffs. There shall be a separate payoff price, per dollar calculated, for each winning combination as follows: from the gross pool is deducted the takeout, consolation payoff amounts, if any, and amounts wagered on all winning combinations. The balance shall be divided by the number of different winning combinations upon which bets were sold, each resulting allocated part being assigned to each respective winning combination. An allocated part plus the amounts bet on each winning combination when divided by the amount bet on each winning combination (less breakage) shall be the resulting payoff per dollar per respective winning combination.


NEW JERSEY:

In the event of a dead heat for first in any of the Pick-4/6 races involving contestants representing two or more betting interests, the Pick-4/6 pool shall be distributed as a single price pool with each winning wager receiving an equal share of the Pick-4/6 pool.

did anyone see the probable payout on the 9??


thanks

Yes, I was at DeD and laughed out loud. $6,200 and change showed on first flip! My wife (racetrack novice) asked what that was all about. My answer, "some fool wants to be separated from his money." And, fool was separated about 20 minutes later.