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hoovesupsideyourhead 12-06-2007 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
But what if there were 3 a year from a sample of 100000 races? Is that worth the handle lost and people pissed off? If you show me that this happens a lot then I think it is a big problem. But I have not heard it to be an issue except once every few years. The truth is that virtually noone knows if and when this happens. Is this happening alot?
the black box argument........

Swale84 12-06-2007 07:35 PM
Not that i'm doubting Mike Maloney's claim to be a whale, but isn't there a big difference between betting $6 million or $12 million a year? Seems like a big range to me

Cannon Shell 12-06-2007 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
**** happens..but this guy was no 2 buck bettor.. he fires and if he got in he would really mess up any payout at a regular track let alone a 2nd tier venue

it wont happen again..they say so.. bc pick 6 anyone?
Yeah but he bet a loser giving those who bet the winner more money.

Cannon Shell 12-06-2007 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Swale84
Not that i'm doubting Mike Maloney's claim to be a whale, but isn't there a big difference between betting $6 million or $12 million a year? Seems like a big range to me
small numbers to a player like Hooves..

Payson Dave 12-06-2007 07:40 PM
It would be nice to know how often that it does happen...the appearance of more impropriety does not help the game.

ninetoone 12-06-2007 07:42 PM
I've decided that I'm OK with it, as long as people are only allowed to wager late on a losing horse.

Payson Dave 12-06-2007 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ninetoone
I've decided that I'm OK with it, as long as people are only allowed to wager late on a losing horse.
Well it would also be ok if I (and only I) could get my bet in right up until they get to the sixteenth pole...

ninetoone 12-06-2007 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
Well it would also be ok if I (and only I) could get my bet in right up until they get to the sixteenth pole...
I still would have lost the BC Sprint this year...

Rudeboyelvis 12-06-2007 07:58 PM
We're talking about a few tickets entered a couple moments after the break - It's not like the guy watched the break, then figured out which horses he wanted and then started placing wagers - The bets were placed. In the grand scheme, really seems to me to be a non issue... Time to put away the tin foil hats - no conspiriacy here

Payson Dave 12-06-2007 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
We're talking about a few tickets entered a couple moments after the break
He is claiming that they were a half mile into the race and he was still getting his tickets punched....give me that opportunity and I gotta believe that my win percentage would go up.

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-06-2007 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Yeah but he bet a loser giving those who bet the winner more money.
this time

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-06-2007 08:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
small numbers to a player like Hooves..
if i had YOUR money id set mine on fire.....

Cannon Shell 12-06-2007 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
if i had YOUR money id set mine on fire.....
my money is fire proof....all coins

Cannon Shell 12-06-2007 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Cardus
If virtually no one knows when this happens, then we have a "push" here: maybe it happens more frequently than the "isolated" incidents about which we hear.
And if it does then it may be an bigger issue than I am giving it credit for

Rudeboyelvis 12-06-2007 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
He is claiming that they were a half mile into the race and he was still getting his tickets punched....give me that opportunity and I gotta believe that my win percentage would go up.
Ooops...I read this part:

>>>Lenny Vangilder, a spokesman for Fair Grounds, confirmed that wagering was not stopped when the race began. He said that the stop wagering mechanism the stewards use malfunctioned, and that the mutual manager stopped wagering 15 seconds after the race began.<<<


And glanced over this part:

>>>Maloney said that he wagered well after that, saying that he was placing wagering at least a half-mile into the 1 1/16-mile race<<< :o

And he still couldn't pick a winner :D

Seriously, You'd think it would be easy enough to figure out how often the system *hiccups*...

ALostTexan 12-06-2007 08:53 PM
I heard his talk today, and he seemed to be using this as just an example. He also made the bets on the horse that he had already bet on, as to not gain an advantage.

Maloney has an overall concern about the security of the betting pools, and as just using this as an example, not an isolated event. He made alot of sense today...

Bobby Fischer 12-06-2007 09:12 PM
I have witnessed a machine error before at an OTB. It allowed a certain exotic wager for a couple dollars less than it should have. Was a repeatable error and unique only to that machine and not the others.
I was very busy at the time, and I didn't exploit it or report it.
I wonder if months later that machine still does it?:eek:


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