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Originally Posted by Scav

Me personally, it will never get a dime of my money because I never figure out who is going to run third let alone 5th.

I agree completely, but if it is a success, that is great.

Anything to drum up interest is fine by me.

If we can have a bet on the Hi 5, why not the Lo 5? That, to me, is easier to hit!! And, come to think of it, why don't we have a LAST bet. I mean, come on, aren't there times when you'd like to have a LAST place wager??? Is it because we don't want owners/trainers to enter into races where they know they will get last place and still make out like bandits?!??! Who's running this show? Hi 5? How about LAST PLACE!! that's what i'm talking about!

:D

This bet is very big in France ( I believe it is called the quinte ) and they seem to have it on one race a day at one of the tracks racing. Obviously they look to pick one of the bigger fields. Since you can bet the races in bars pretty much all over the pools can get pretty big.

I'm also not sure how their bet is set up, as I'm not sure there aren't tiered payoffs, and nobody either understood it well enough to explain it to me or spoke enough English to do so.

This is going to add at least one more chapter to Steve's book.

Or maybe it was just because they were French?

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The Selections format will have to be amended...

Best Value:
Most Likely:
Next Best:
Super Add:
Plinko Pick:

Anyone else concerned about the jocks who have a tendency to stop riding if they will not get 3rd $ or better? I expect we will hear outcry about Jocks throwing races, concspiracy, etc It is a luck wager, like powerball. Most races I see no one is actually "riding hard" for 5th. Will this race change that behavior? Will the track talk about this with the Jockeys and Trainers?

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Originally Posted by Kasept

That's the reason the wager has been developed. The .10 super is syphoning the payouts for serious super players and this $1 bet is in response to their complaints/suggestions. As Hammerle once said on the show when asked about $1 or .50 P6's, if you lower the cost, the ability to hit soars and the reward drops.

If you listen to the show from last night, Charles and Hammer explained that they are guessing the pool in this could result in $50,000-$75,000 one day carryovers. And since Hammer writes the cards, you can be sure the nightcaps are going to be deep and competitive. Watch what happens when this goes unhit for 2 days and there's suddenly a $1,000,000 in a single race pool.

It wasn't Rick's idea. It came out in response to horseplayer focus groups that Santa Anita regularly conducts. And the depth of tickets is exactly what drives the bet...

At first blush, I'd imagine people would approach this with an exacta over trifecta mentality: a variation of Steve Crist's "double-key part wheel" approach to Superfectas that treats it as a win bet in concert with a trifecta. 2x1x4x3x2 would be a $48 ticket... (Keying is obviously another option which 'reduces' the play to a win bet in concert with a superfecta.)

The attraction of this play is going to be for the pool scoop shooters. Think of it as a single race P6... It will be a success.

There was a piece in Thoroughbred Times recently that explains the late odds changes (yet again). I'll try to find it. It has to do with the crush of wagering that comes in the last couple of ticks. Something like 70% of pools arrives in the final 3 minutes of wagering which is re-tabulated every 45 seconds. That's why you get in-race odds changes after the bells.

tell him thanks ... 10c supers killed the wager

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Originally Posted by Scav

Yeah, that is pretty rough if you ask me. If they did it for a dime I could see some action on that but $1, that is nuts, 5 horse box will cost $120, 6 horse box will cost $720.

I like the Hammer, but he is out of his mind with this idea. Add a midrange Pk4 or something if you have to add an exotic

I got a 1 meet shelf life on this exotics, tops

I have to admit that I am a moron for the above statements, it is really gathering alot of attention with 100k carryovers and now what looks like should be 300-350k in this pool.