Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm sure I am in the minority here and this is no dig on Torre. But the bottom line for Steinbrenner is championship rings. Torre was far and away the highest paid manager and under the deal they offered, he still would have been. What is wrong with basing a cut on Steinbrenner or whoever's thought that Torre wasn't doing a good job?

I know everyone loves Torre, but it's not a personal thing. It's business. Steinbrenner spends all of that money for a ring. I realize you cannot buy a ring, but sometimes you just need a change to light a fire in some guys. Personally I think Cashman should be gone too. He's made some awful moves.

Torre's a players manager and you'll be hard pressed to find someone who has a bad thing to say about him. But sometimes change is necessary. This was definitely one of those times.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I know about what he has done, but obviously Steinbrenner is a what have you done for me lately kind of guy. His record of firing in the past sort of shows this.

I just think the backlash is because Torre is such a likeable guy. Where was the backlash when Girardi got fired last year? Talk about overachieving. If I'm Steinbrenner, and I spend the money he does to get a winner, I expect to go to the playoffs and beyond, every year. They should be making the playoffs every year. They have the best players money can buy.

Obviously they have to perform, but it's not like Torre has been burdened with trying to make a winner out of second rate players. He has a virtual all star team. IMO Torre is a bad X's and O's guy and his decision making is mediocre.

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

It will be a LONG time before the Yankees get back to the Joe Torre level. He got them to 12 straight playoff appearances for Chirst Sakes! As a YANKEE fan for over 30 years, I remember ALL those years they were bad! Joe was one in million...business or not, he deserved better than this!

Originally Posted by Danzig

torre, 3 rings, post season 12 years in a row.
20 years prior--NO rings.

who didn't think halfway thru this season that the yanks would miss the playoffs for the first time in over a decade? i doubt anyone honestly thought that they could pull things together, and get to the post season.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What did he deserve? What would have been fitting? Steinbrenner was very crucial about Torre not getting his players off of the field during the bug scenarion. They probably had the biggest choke of all time in the '05 playoffs and with the best players money could buy, were underachieving IMO. What kind of a sendoff would you have liked? What's the timetable?

Originally Posted by Danzig

torre, 3 rings, post season 12 years in a row.
20 years prior--NO rings.

who didn't think halfway thru this season that the yanks would miss the playoffs for the first time in over a decade? i doubt anyone honestly thought that they could pull things together, and get to the post season.

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Did he deserve this??? My god...12 straight years in the playoffs, four World Champions! Your point is moot with me :mad: Would you be happy with a pay cut after years of great service with a company? Don't you think it's a slap in the face for that??? I tell you now, this team WON'T be the same again. The gravy train of championships is over...for real now!

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Losing those three would be the best thing that could happen to the Yankees. If you can add Giambi, Abreu, Pettite and Mussina, they might get out of the first round next year.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Losing those three would be the best thing that could happen to the Yankees. If you can add Giambi, Abreu, Pettite and Mussina, they might get out of the first round next year.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Hoff, do me a favor. Take your emotion out of this for a second. The guy did his job. He was given the best players a manager could ask for. It didn't work out. What did he deserve? What should they have done? Sometimes it's best to part ways.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Losing those three would be the best thing that could happen to the Yankees. If you can add Giambi, Abreu, Pettite and Mussina, they might get out of the first round next year.