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cakes44 10-10-2007 02:04 PM

Pretty sure you need to find a new calculator.

Pedigree Ann 10-10-2007 02:16 PM

11 starts at 2 - sure didn't break him down.

The beginning of his career looks like a minor track stakes horse who couldn't compete in stakes at a major track (Fair Grounds) and so dropped into what was upper level claimers at the time. Quite logical.

But the odd thing is that after being unable to do better than run a distant third in a FG sprint at Cl25, coming from behind, he goes up to Aqu two months later and wins a nearly identical race running up close to or on the pace. Anybody know when in here he was gelded? If it wasn't before he started racing, this gap with the form shift looks likely. Once they put him on turf in June of his 3yo year, he was on his way to stardom. Notice his first graded win was at AP?

Pedigree Ann 10-10-2007 02:16 PM

11 starts at 2 - sure didn't break him down.

The beginning of his career looks like a minor track stakes horse who couldn't compete in stakes at a major track (Fair Grounds) and so dropped into what was upper level claimers at the time. Quite logical.

But the odd thing is that after being unable to do better than run a distant third in a FG sprint at Cl25, coming from behind, he goes up to Aqu two months later and wins a nearly identical race running up close to or on the pace. Anybody know when in here he was gelded? If it wasn't before he started racing, this gap with the form shift looks likely. Once they put him on turf in June of his 3yo year, he was on his way to stardom. Notice his first graded win was at AP?

Checking out the JC Gold Cup of 81, see who was third? That was Relaxing, dam of Easy Goer and G1 winners Cadillacing and Easy Now.

Hey, now! Did you know that Gato del Sol actually beat John twice? 4Mar84 Santa Anita H-G1, Interco wins, Gato del Sol 3rd, John fifth by 8l; 1Apr84, San Luis Rey-G1 12fT, wfa, Interco is a neck ahead of Gato, who is 1.5l ahead of John. Shows you why it is the body of work is the most important thing in judging a horse's career, not a single race.

SniperSB23 10-10-2007 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44
Pretty sure you need to find a new calculator.

LOL

FGFan 10-10-2007 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44
Pretty sure you need to find a new calculator.

Here you try it then, tell me what you get.

Feel free to find another calculator and link it here and I would be happy to use your new calculator.

Here's the links......

http://www.cs.state.ny.us/businesssu...on-Calculator/

EDIT: Sorry this is the one above I meant to site. Which would put it 13,062, 538.00 So I stand corrected, although other sites give differing info. I was cutting and pasting and clicked the wrong site. Trying to multi-task, sometimesI do have real work to do.... clicked the wrong one. Sound better now.


http://www.inflationdata.com/Inflati...Calculator.asp

EDIT: This is the one that puts it at 92.23%

Still remarkable either way.

Most sites report the dollar has lost 1/2 it's value since 1984, you do the math. So the 13,000,000.00 would be about right.

SniperSB23 10-10-2007 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FGFan
Here you try it then, tell me what you get.

Feel free to find another calculator and link it here and I would be happy to use your new calculator.

Here's the links......

http://www.cs.state.ny.us/businesssu...on-Calculator/


http://www.inflationdata.com/Inflati...Calculator.asp

Most sites report the dollar has lost 1/2 it's value since 1984, you do the math.

You're off a couple decimal points. It should be $12.6 million rather than $1.26 billion.

cakes44 10-10-2007 03:02 PM

Inflation rate = 92.23%

John Henry's earnings as of 1984 = $6,597,947.00

Estimated current earnings based on inflation = $6,597,947 * (1+.9223) = $12,683,233.52

FGFan 10-10-2007 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23
You're off a couple decimal points. It should be $12.6 million rather than $1.26 billion.

I know I edited my last post, take a look. And yes I used the sites calculator, too easy. I did not check my math before posting, I sincerely apologize, I'm glad we have it corrected.

Sorry concentrating on real work...but thought the question was fun.
Still remarkable.

Uncle Daddy 10-10-2007 04:06 PM

Does anybody know the race where he supposedly lost and still went to the winners circle and refused to budge? I have heard the story before but not which race or track

robfla 10-10-2007 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Daddy
Does anybody know the race where he supposedly lost and still went to the winners circle and refused to budge? I have heard the story before but not which race or track


legend has it as the '83 Arlington Million

Split Rock 10-11-2007 03:06 AM

Two things are somewhat sad about looking at John Henry's PP's and comparing it to today.

1st: Because this game is a cespool of drugs, no one will ever believe achievements, similar to what John Henry did, can be legitimate. For example, Lava Man.

2nd: When will a champion runner race into his 9th year again? Half the time, they don't run beyond the age of 4.

John Henry was clearly a "once in a lifetime" race horse.

Dunbar 10-11-2007 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Split Rock
Two things are somewhat sad about looking at John Henry's PP's and comparing it to today.

1st: Because this game is a cespool of drugs, no one will ever believe achievements, similar to what John Henry did, can be legitimate. For example, Lava Man.

2nd: When will a champion runner race into his 9th year again? Half the time, they don't run beyond the age of 4.

The Tin Man.

--Dunbar


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