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Cannon Shell 10-10-2007 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Chuck you really think Bonds is a better hitter than he right now? Maybe a few years ago, not now. I'll give you Arod and Pujols, but the rest of your list has to be a joke, so I'll laugh.

Right now? I think that Bonds is probably as good as Manny because Manny has been subpar for Manny the last 2 seasons. The 2 recent HR's not withstanding, Manny has been below average according to his standards.

Cannon Shell 10-10-2007 09:39 AM

I guess I am being too harsh on ol' Manny. You guys are probably right.

Mortimer 10-10-2007 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Of course if the 165 are taken in context of the brief era of 70 hrs seasons it is not quite so impressive though you could surely make the same case for Bonds

I don't think Shirley can.


Which is also why Rameriz is a top 3 guy.

He also should be very close to Gehrigs 23 grand slam record.....but not a big deal.

Mortimer 10-10-2007 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I guess I am being too harsh on ol' Manny. You guys are probably right.


I'm so sorry...did not see this.













THUD!

Mortimer 10-10-2007 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I guess I am being too harsh on ol' Manny. You guys are probably right.


That really was pretty good. Here ya go:



OOOOOOOOOO

ARyan 10-10-2007 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
None of those guys ever got in 165 runs.



He has played just about half his time in Cleveland so that tosses the Fenway thing...his best years were here,too ...he does stink in the field and on the bases,but is a natural born hitter.

I would think he certainly is in the same class with the first 3....but that's just a predator speaking.

Mau Duw, I agree with Morti...I thought this was impossible...

Mortimer 10-10-2007 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ARyan
Mau Duw, I agree with Morti...I thought this was impossible...




Think Dylan Thomas here.

ARyan 10-10-2007 04:18 PM

If I had to rank the top 10 hitters in baseball as of right now, I think I would have to go with this;

1. David Ortiz
2. Albert Pujols
3. Alex Rodriguez
4. Manny Ramirez
5. Vladimir Guerrero
6. Ryan Howard
7. Matt Holliday
8. Magglio Ordóñez
9. Chase Utley
10. Todd Helton or Ichiro Suzuki

Again, just in my opinion...however, you could swap 3-20 on most lists and probably have a valid arguement for each...

Cannon Shell 10-10-2007 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ARyan
If I had to rank the top 10 hitters in baseball as of right now, I think I would have to go with this;

1. David Ortiz
2. Albert Pujols
3. Alex Rodriguez
4. Manny Ramirez
5. Vladimir Guerrero
6. Ryan Howard
7. Matt Holliday
8. Magglio Ordóñez
9. Chase Utley
10. Todd Helton or Ichiro Suzuki

Again, just in my opinion...however, you could swap 3-20 on most lists and probably have a valid arguement for each...

Howard too high though I have a hard time understanding how Arod and Pujols arent 1 and 2

Mortimer 10-10-2007 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Howard too high though I have a hard time understanding how Arod and Pujols arent 1 and 2

A-Rod?


You mean Mr. August?

SniperSB23 10-10-2007 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ARyan
If I had to rank the top 10 hitters in baseball as of right now, I think I would have to go with this;

1. David Ortiz
2. Albert Pujols
3. Alex Rodriguez
4. Manny Ramirez
5. Vladimir Guerrero
6. Ryan Howard
7. Matt Holliday
8. Magglio Ordóñez
9. Chase Utley
10. Todd Helton or Ichiro Suzuki

Again, just in my opinion...however, you could swap 3-20 on most lists and probably have a valid arguement for each...

I'd go more like:
1. Alex Rodriguez
2. Albert Pujols
3. David Ortiz
4. Matt Holliday (Coors Field isn't quite so hitter friendly as it was)
5. Ichiro
6. Hanley Ramirez
7. David Wright
8. Carlos Lee
9. Magglio Ordonez
10. Vladimir Guerrero
11. Miguel Cabrera (just cause I didn't feel right leaving his fatass off)

docicu3 10-11-2007 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Right now? I think that Bonds is probably as good as Manny because Manny has been subpar for Manny the last 2 seasons. The 2 recent HR's not withstanding, Manny has been below average according to his standards.


Manny has been hurt all year Chuck and has actually improved his fielding in Boston playing a quirky left field at home that is harder than it looks at first blush. I'll give you his production way down this year but he has produced for much longer than many on your list. Manny has protected Ortiz in that line up since he got to Boston and has pretty much done what was asked of him sometimes sacrificing numbers for the team that Boston has become.

Very Very Streaky hitter who may yet have another World Series MVP to go with his 2004 one. Believe me the worst thing Cleveland saw in the division playoffs was that Manny seemed to be swinging pain free...

And how can you not like a guy who hates to speak in public but still gives the hilarious honest interview he gave Friday night which pretty much solidified his place in the all sound bite hall of fame.

So leave my Manny alone or we'll have to take your prize money for Mixteca at Keeneland. :D

Mortimer 10-11-2007 08:21 AM

He's being paid not to endorse The Witch.

docicu3 10-11-2007 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
He's being paid not to endorse The Witch.


Morty most of the time I am able to follow what your talking about as the smartest and wittiest kid in the class who just happens to be the class clown as well.....but what the hell does that mean!!!

Mortimer 10-11-2007 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
Morty most of the time I am able to follow what your talking about as the smartest and wittiest kid in the class who just happens to be the class clown as well.....but what the hell does that mean!!!

God you're easy to fool!!!


ror!!


Oh I admit it...I'm an imbecile.







But what I meant was Hillary Clitton's campaign manager is paying Manny not to endorse her.


Not so funny or witty I guess.

ARyan 10-11-2007 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Howard too high though I have a hard time understanding how Arod and Pujols arent 1 and 2

I would give it to Ortiz because he is so clutch. No better clutch hitter.


Over the last 5 years;

ARod - .300 avg, 28 2B, 2 3B, 44 HR, 126 RBI, .401 OBP

Ortiz - .302 avg, 41 2B, 2 3B, 44 HR, 128 RBI, .401 OBP

Pujols- .336 avg, 42 2B, 1 3B, 42 HR, 121 RBI, .429 OBP


Based on that, I have no problem with Pujols being #1. I would still say ARod is #3, easily.

Mortimer 10-11-2007 11:24 AM

Golly...no love for Jhonny Peralta?

ARyan 10-11-2007 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
Golly...no love for Jhonny Peralta?

Career .270 and under he might make the top 25. ;)

Mortimer 10-11-2007 11:40 AM

But the bonus is he's a slug of a shortstop.




He's a living,breathing conunigma.

ARyan 10-11-2007 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
But the bonus is he's a slug of a shortstop.




He's a living,breathing conunigma.

I would take him over "Lugo for 4" anyday.


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