She's entitled to her opinion... even if it's only based upon stories she's read about. ANY breed of dog can do what she described.

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You are sooooo right.

Dannie should loosen the old tummy tucker and get real here.




Gee..that was harsh.

I take it back...but she should certainly check her facts before she talks about things she doesn't know anything about.




E-U....that was harsh as well.

I'll let you handle it.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdaAWFoWr2c

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no doubt there are instances with each breed of dog. that's absolutely true. but in most cases, those are isolated instances, not involving a dog that had been specifically bred for centuries to be a killer that won't give up once the fight starts. since bear and bull baiting, down to the modern day dog fights, pits have been bred for one thing only. much like retrievers, who are called just that because it's what they're bred to do. or dalmatians, who generally don't make good pets because they are a tremendous bundle of energy--bred for centuries to run for hours along-side carriages. or terriers, anyone have one and then complain about holes in the rose beds?? how about your friendly border collie--not recommended for apt living, or for families with younger children--parents don't generally appreciate fido nipping at the kiddies heels.

it is accurate to say that pit bulls have been bred for centures to be killers--different working dogs were bred for the characteristics that farmers, ranchers or herders desired. sadly, pit bulls have been bred to perform blood sport for those that enjoy that sort of thing. not to be pets, not warm and cuddly, not companion animals. sheepdogs are bred to herd sheep, they will exhibit those herding instincts. doesn't mean rover will come home one day with his own flock, but you'll see his instincts kick in given the right circumstances. but unlike so many other dogs, pits don't listen to 'no'. as for them not getting along with other dogs--that is so against what most expect in a dog, which is for the most part a pack animal. and a dog who doesn't like other dogs, won't do well in any type of pack situation, since most houses with dogs are a 'pack'.

but why chance it with a ticking time bomb pit? those who understand what they are getting, have the right setting (hopefully not near a neighbor with a pet door--a lady home minding her own business the other day, pit came in and attacked and killed her-very recently), the wherewithal to deal with that dog, fine, go for it. btw, they should contact their homeowners insurance, as many won't cover owners of 'vicious' dogs. maybe they can get a million dollar rider to cover any accidents.
but i would recommend that most who want a dog, to do their research and get the right dog for their situation-- (not the dog that will stroke their ego, scare the neighbors, or tear up their house while their gone. it's what's best for them as well as their dog. and 99 times out of 100, a pit bull is NOT a good fit.)

--and that way, those of us who live in the dog dumping grounds won't have so many strays to deal with. i've taken in plenty over the years, as have the neighbors.

as an aside, cajun and i have chatted on here and elsewhere for years quite amicably. even when we disagree.
not quite sure what your posts on here are trying to accomplish.

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and since you mentioned the yanks, did you see steinbrenner said torre is out of there if they don't make it thru this round vs the indians?

Well you don't have to be snotty about it.


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Brother.

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Do you think it was timely for the series shift to NYC?

Or did he really mean it?

I think both.

well, i'm snotty if i do,
and snotty if i don't....

GOD!!...tha's what I love about her!!









GYYYYO TIGERS!!

i think he's either senile, or has been talking turkey with the powers that be with the chargers. he doesn't need to take their advice for sure!

thanks...

now i gotta go blow my nose. i'll try to be less snotty.

Nothing like a good discussion (thanks, Danzig and Cajun) to get the Google itch going- this is from the ASPCA site:

<<The Pit Bull’s Bad Reputation
Sadly, pit bulls have acquired a reputation as unpredictable, dangerous, and vicious. Their intimidating appearance has made them attractive to the wrong sorts of owner—people who are looking for a macho dog and end up encouraging aggressive behavior. In order to meet the growing demand for pit bulls, unscrupulous and uncaring breeders are producing puppies without maintaining the breed’s typical reliability with people. In fact, pit bulls are now notorious for redirecting aggression from a dog to any person who attempts to break up a fight. It is a shame what has happened to this loyal and affectionate breed.

Having said all that, we must tell you that a well-bred, well-socialized, and well-trained pit bull is one of the most delightful, intelligent, and gentle dogs imaginable. Some of the most famous dogs in American history were pit bulls: Stubby, the most decorated United States war dog; Petey, the beloved mascot from Little Rascals, and Helen Keller’s faithful companion. Additionally, many pit bulls were featured in well-known advertising campaigns, such as Buster Brown shoes and Levis. The majority of pit bulls are still ambassadors for their breed, serving as loving companions, family members, and therapy dogs, working in search and rescue, narcotics and explosives detection, and police and sentry duty. Unfortunately, we often hear more about the exceptions than the rule.>>

Here's the link- it's really interesting reading about the history of the various breeds that are called pit bulls:

http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer...e=pets_pitbull

Interestingly, they were once called the nursemaid's dog, because they were so trustworthy with children (the original fighting dogs were bred and trained to be aggressive to animals, not people, because the owners had to be in the ring with the dogs at all times). But, as the article says, breeding hasn't been so carefully regulated recently. It sounds like proper socialization is the key, and I don't think many owners really put the proper amount of time into training their dogs, regardless of breed, which may make them too challenging for some.

Danzig is SO right on about people not taking into account their living situation when they get a dog- I see so many overweight, depressed Golden Retrievers here in the city, who clearly are not getting the exercise the breed needs. I think their owners probably grew up in the 'burbs. Good apartment dogs, interestingly enough can include greyhounds (my personal wish, when I finally live in an apartment that allows pets) and really big dogs, like St. Bernards and Pyrenees Mtn. Dogs, because they don't require a lot of exercise and aren't barky (noise always a factor in apartment living- also why I can't have a parrot. :( ).

i think that is also a huge problem with many breeds. horrible puppy mill breeders!
my neighbor had a lab that had a bad temperment. i even saw him charge a guy one time, i thought the man was toast.
she bred him more than once. wonderful i thought. breed a dog who exhibits traits that are NOT what someone desires in that type of dog.

it really is a shame that this breed has sunk so low. ignorance, poor breeding, etc. and the dog pays the price. but if anyone expects to do anything to help the problem, the first step would be to make ownership of these dogs very difficult and make sure that those who do own them are capable of handling them correctly. and then of course breeders have to breed for good characteristics, as well as sterilize any dog that exhibits any aggression. easier said than done.

Yep, and no hard feelings on my end. I agree with most of what you're saying, just not with the "they're bred to be killers" part. They had to be controlled by their handlers in the ring while 'pit fighting' so they weren't originally bred to be human killers. I agree that current breeding practice has been detrimental to the breed and can see why you might feel the way you do. People like Michael Vick are the downfall to this once respected breed and it makes me sad. BUT, with that said, I'll never own another pit only because of the insurance problems that come along with owning a 'dangerous breed.'

Kinda off topic, but I read about this yesterday and might get my 'pound puppy' lab mutt tested to see what else she's mixed with. I am starting to think pit because of her ears, but it's hard to tell.

http://www.whatsmydog.com/

http://www.metamorphixinc.com/