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Scav 08-20-2007 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Scavs, when the horse was cut off, it was very close to the wire and the race was no longer in question. How as a bettor can you be okay with YOU being penalized for a mistake Coa made and has made. The race wasn't in question anymore. It is not right for the bettor, or the connections.
the 3 bumped into the 8 multiple times, one of them knocking him sideways, before all of that. You couple that on top of that cut off, where Desormeux almost got dumped, and you have a warranted DQ. I don't disagree that the 3 was the best horse but it is hard to argue with that DQ IMO

fpsoxfan 08-20-2007 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
If that 3 horse didn't deserve to come down, then I must be blind.

While I will agree that the 8 was drifting out, the 3 (Who I know a couple of the partners EXTREMELY WELL) bumped the 8 while on even terms twice, and then straight up cut him off making him what looked like clipping heels.

I feel the DQ was warranted
You saw something that I didn't see. Read the NY Post tomorrow and see what they say. It was a horrible call by the stewards. Out of the 100 people standing around us probably 75 needed the 8 horse on top(because it was chalk) and not one person could understand what happened.

fpsoxfan 08-20-2007 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
the 3 bumped into the 8 multiple times, one of them knocking him sideways, before all of that. You couple that on top of that cut off, where Desormeux almost got dumped, and you have a warranted DQ. I don't disagree that the 3 was the best horse but it is hard to argue with that DQ IMO
Huh??????

Scav 08-20-2007 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
Huh??????
I am going to watch it one more time, 1 second

deltagulf 08-20-2007 08:08 PM
yea if you watch closely there are a lot of jockeys that don't ride it out.

which is very wrong. the stewards should do something call them in and have a talk with them.

fpsoxfan 08-20-2007 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I don't know if the NY Post will help our arguement here, IMO they leave something to be desired racing wise.
Bad example I know, but they always have a "look through the binocs" and I'm sure tomorrow they will be going nuts.

fpsoxfan 08-20-2007 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
I am going to watch it one more time, 1 second
OK...no matter what you and I see can I ask you this? Why was there no jockey's Objection. Can any of you guys shed some light on this???

Scav 08-20-2007 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
OK...no matter what you and I see can I ask you this? Why was there no jockey's Objection. Can any of you guys shed some light on this???
Objections cost cash, if you lodge an objection I think it costs $100 or something (from the jock). And they probably already knew they were looking at it. I could be 100% wrong about this

Scav 08-20-2007 08:14 PM
As for the replay
 
the 3 was drifting in and Eibar was trying to correct it. He slightly bumps into into him once, and then a off stride bump, gets him straight and then completely cuts him off BEFORE the line.

My guess it that Eibar had to think he was clear, when he really wasn't, but again, I think that DQ was fairly straight forward

Ronnie 08-20-2007 08:14 PM
Does there need to be duplicity? If the jockey knows the stewards are looking into it, why then would he put in a jockey's inquiry? I guess that I don't know that much about inquiries, and I see that I am not alone.

fpsoxfan 08-20-2007 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Objections cost cash, if you lodge an objection I think it costs $100 or something (from the jock). And they probably already knew they were looking at it. I could be 100% about this

Did not know that. Interesting. 20 years in this game and still learning.

MaTH716 08-20-2007 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I thought Gomez tried to come through a hole that closed. I think he would have objected if he thought otherwise. Anyone else notice Desormeaux not ride out again to the wire, something BTW brought up on his show? I'm not saying it cost him second, but the horse missed second by a nose and in the picture, he is almost standing up, while Cornelio is riding out to the wire.
This might be a stupid question but, Will jocks lodge objections to move up to third place?

As far as Desormeaux goes, after he (apparently) shut the door on GG he gave the horse one more tap with the whip and then coasted home like a jock that thought he was probably coming down. His hands looked like they were still. I could be way off base but you probably do not take as much heat from the trainer when you get Dq'd from 3rd to 4th as it would to be taken down from first. This is the only reason I could think for him to apparently stop driving his horse.

Scav 08-20-2007 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
Did not know that. Interesting. 20 years in this game and still learning.
I am not 100% sure. I am sure someone on here will know for sure. If not, I have a friend that used to be a jock agent, I'll ask him when I see him next

fpsoxfan 08-20-2007 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
the 3 was drifting in and Eibar was trying to correct it. He slightly bumps into into him once, and then a off stride bump, gets him straight and then completely cuts him off BEFORE the line.

My guess it that Eibar had to think he was clear, when he really wasn't, but again, I think that DQ was fairly straight forward

So....and I'm not being a dink. Do you think it was for rough/careless riding or do you honestly think the 8 had a chance to win?


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