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ArlJim78 07-30-2007 08:54 AM

great that Street Sense is still racing and all, but I wasn't terribly impressed with the performance. Lawyer Ron would have kicked his ass.

SentToStud 07-30-2007 09:02 AM

Borel on Street Sense always looks to me like he's one-hole-not-opening-at-the-last-instant away from disaster.

SundayStar 07-30-2007 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
When should he have been DQ'd? The Derby? He didn't make any contact in the Derby or the Jim Dandy.

i didn't say he should've been DQ'd. i said he was lucky not to have been DQ'd. to be more specific, he was very very close to causing a foul....yes, in the derby and yesterday in the dandy.

he's either reckless or not very bright. he should know that street sense starts looking for the rail as soon as he gets by a horse (especially when being whipped right-handed). and yet he continues to whip him right handed.

whodey17 07-30-2007 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
great that Street Sense is still racing and all, but I wasn't terribly impressed with the performance. Lawyer Ron would have kicked his ass.

Lawyer Ron is also a year older than SS. Also this was SS first race since May. I think you can expect more from SS in the future and I would imagine that LR will digress a little from his great performance in the Whitney.

ArlJim78 07-30-2007 11:58 AM

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Lawyer Ron is also a year older than SS. Also this was SS first race since May. I think you can expect more from SS in the future and I would imagine that LR will digress a little from his great performance in the Whitney.

He is a year older but isn't Street Sense planning to take on all comers, including Lawyer Ron in a few months in the Classic? I just wonder how much more you will see from Street Sense, he always looks the same to me which is quite good, but not overpowering. He should have handed that field a Bernardini style thrashing. Instead, all I saw was that he managed to get up in time to beat CP West.

whodey17 07-30-2007 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
He is a year older but isn't Street Sense planning to take on all comers, including Lawyer Ron in a few months in the Classic? I just wonder how much more you will see from Street Sense, he always looks the same to me which is quite good, but not overpowering. He should have handed that field a Bernardini style thrashing. Instead, all I saw was that he managed to get up in time to beat CP West.

I thought it was a good performance for being off 71 days. I feel that this time of year, 3 year olds have more room to improve than 4 year olds. I think that LR has peaked and will start to level off. I think SS will be able to iimprove more and be primed for his best for BCC day.

Riot 07-30-2007 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
He should have handed that field a Bernardini style thrashing. Instead, all I saw was that he managed to get up in time to beat CP West.

I doubt Nafzger had him cranked up, first off layoff, and he uses preps for just that. He's always said the goal is the Classic after the Derby.

I was wondering why they were all so very happy and excited after the win. I figure it was because they didn't expect the win - they just wanted him to run well (maybe top three), and get this prep under his belt. That he won on class and natural ability alone, maybe surprised them a bit and reinforced how good they think this horse is, that he could easily beat those at 80% or so.

ArlJim78 07-30-2007 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You are right. But before Saturday, would you have included Lawyer Ron in possible Classic contenders. He ran out of this world big, almost unbelievable.

In the past in my opinion Nafzger hasn't had Street Sense fully cranked in his preps for a big race. We have seen how he performs in the biggies, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

well yes I considered Lawyer Ron a potential classic contender before Saturday. why not? he has improved in every start for Pletcher and its up for grabs. The race Saturday showed another dimension entirely.

I think Street Sense has a lot more to worry about than Lawyer Ron though. I don't know who is going to the Travers but I don't think its a gimme for him.

philcski 07-30-2007 09:24 PM

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I don't think it's going to be a gimme either, but who is out there that could give him a run? I'm not sold on Lawyer Ron, don't ask me why. That was just too good a performance, by a good, but not that good a horse. Maybe Pletcher has moved him up that much, but something stinks in that race.

As I stated in the Lawyer Ron time thread, they ran a freak-out race. It happens, and I agree they won't run back to it.

He's a very good horse, but not all time good as the time/figure would indicate.

paisjpq 07-30-2007 09:26 PM

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I can't imagine Asmussen was looking for a last place finish today. The horse never looked interested IMO and didn't show the speed he had last year. Unfortunately I think we have seen his last race. I thought it was crazy for him to be in this race and even crazier to see him go in the Travers.

rank early, tired late....IMO not pretty.

Coach Pants 07-30-2007 09:28 PM

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Too bad too, because I liked him a lot last year. Probably not the ideal spot to come off a layoff either.

The vet should've recieved that wire transfer today.

Cajungator26 07-30-2007 09:32 PM

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I will give Pletcher camp credit, because they have seemed to fix the rankness problem Lawyer Ron had last year. Maybe the fact he's getting stronger jocks on him, or someone in the Pletcher camp deserves a big raise.

Same thing I noticed... huge improvement in that regard.

ArlJim78 07-30-2007 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I don't think it's going to be a gimme either, but who is out there that could give him a run? I'm not sold on Lawyer Ron, don't ask me why. That was just too good a performance, by a good, but not that good a horse. Maybe Pletcher has moved him up that much, but something stinks in that race.

maybe, but what is it that stinks? it looks honest in all respects. the only thing that will answer that question is more races.

as far as who could beat Street Sense? I don't know yet, I'll tell you the day before the Travers, how's that?

philcski 07-30-2007 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I will give Pletcher camp credit, because they have seemed to fix the rankness problem Lawyer Ron had last year. Maybe the fact he's getting stronger jocks on him, or someone in the Pletcher camp deserves a big raise.

He almost pulled P Val out of the saddle in the BCC last year throwing his head around, and PVal is one STRONG dude. Training him in draw reins was genius...


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